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-I have this question posted on multiple forums so bare with me here as my replies will be much slower.
-AS FOR THE PEOPLE recommending me WC I honestly feel intimidated by it. I chose an air cooling case but I still am not sure to choose a water cooling enabled one since I am not positive if I go WC in the future.
-I will order from mostly canadian sites but will order from other places if necessary. The preferred retailer list I posted isn't that vital.

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Monitor: Dell UltraSharp U2312HM
CPU HSF: Thermalright Silver Arrow SB-E
Headphones: Sennheiser PC 350 or 360
Tablet: Wacom Bamboo Splash

This is my first build from scratch my gaming orientation leans on rpgs, mmos, action-adventure and rts for the most part and less so for fps and racing games.

Approximate Purchase Date:
By the end of July
Budget Range:
Under $3k subtotal including everything base system, monitor, peripherals etc…
System Usage from Most to Least Important:
Extensive gaming and production/rendering in autodesk and other 3D/CG art software
Parts Not Required:
Not planning on getting a custom water cooling system just yet
Preferred Website(s) for Parts:
Newegg Canada
TigerDirect Canada
Canada Computers
NCIX
Country:
Canada
Parts Preferences:
Nvidia, visuals for the most part
Storage Space:
2TB minimum
Overclocking:
Likely
SLI or Crossfire:
Possibly SLI
Monitor Resolution:
1920x1080 or 2560x1440. I would like to have games on maxed settings, AA would be nice and what ever gaming technology optimization available
Additional Comments:
my newegg wishlist

anything sold out on the list i will look for else where, as long as they have good enough return policy

Really looking for some of the top and latest support with longevity, durability and silence

the rig would be placed in the basement which is usually around 20C, during the humid summer it should be closer to 30C room temp but we almost always AC then. the only thing about the basement i am worried about is if airflow wouldn't be good enough for the rig

would a heatsink fan suffice for now? if i ever choose to SLI would water cooling be needed then?

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Quoted from a member named lehpron from the EVGA forums "But, in order to maintain your CPU stabilty; your RAM, HDD, motherboard, PSU, etc all have to be in sync and stable too. So while the CPU could theoretically take the punishment, total system stability depends on the other junk in the system."
How Long Before Failure ?

i hope the hhds would suffice, they do get great ratings i believe the others are good enough.

is 16 gb RAM 1600 enough or should I go higher 1866/2133/2400?



what do you think think about this monitor?

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direct quote from member lehpron from the EVGA forums, sorry its huge but this sums up why i chose the type of mobo, GPU and CPU. but of course still subject to change

"Most modern games are threaded for between 2-4 cores, and it has been a slow progress adoption since quads have been around for six years, duals for eight years. meaning, a 6-core won't make a difference today. New games take 2-3 years to make from the ground up, so in that time, it will make a quad that much more important. Only get the 6-core for your professional work, not for gaming.

3770K is a 22nm quad and half the die area (thus half the actual power and thermals if set at the same frequency) as 32nm i7-3900's 6-cores; mathematically, they should overclock better, but Intel differed from tradition of soddering the CPU die to the IHS (integrated heat spreader) by using a thermal grease with Ivy Bridge which tends to artificially raise temperaturess. This prevents anyone from really being able to push it except for those using cryogenics; so in the end, all Sandy and Ivy processors reach a max of approx 5GHz regardless of number of cores.

So it all comes down to the board really; X79 can support up to 4-way SLI (in quad x8, or a pair of full x16) configs while Z77 is limited to just dual x8's. If you're serious about longitivity in terms of having the room for future graphics cards and not change the board (which definitely need more bandwidth than current), then X79 is the only option. For CPU, either get quad 3820 or 6-core 3930K depending on how often your professional uses need 12-threads or not.

BTW, as for the GTX670's, get the 4GB card. We'll soon see a new standard for mainstream monitors that used to be the reign of medicial professionals, their total single display res equals to a modern multi-display setup. So if you intend on at least one in the next two years and not upgrading graphics for it, then you should plan ahead with a 4GB model and get 3-way SLI by then to compensate.

TBGAPowa

Really looking for longevity and durability I chose a gtx 670 in hopes of being able to run graphic intensive art programs and gaming on high settings for at least two years before upgrade/new build.
This part will require an edit for realism.

In two years, a pair of GTX670 will have the performance equivalency of a future mainstream card (i.e. "GTS850" )and unable to run those games appearing then at high details without having the frame rates dip whatever is high-end at time. So either plan to get into 3-way or 4-way SLI (meaning you need to get a 4-way capable board in the first place, i.e. X79), think about upgrading your graphics card much earlier than two years, or settle for less visuals as times passes especially if you plan a higher resolution monitor someday. Most games are GPU-intensive, so if your resolution doubles the pixels, you cut your frame rates in half.

The only way you can truly have longivity is if your expectation is much lower than what is available for purchase. If you want max detail at smooth rates, then that is only possible today, it isn't possible next year with this year's configuration running next year's games. Just so you know, many folks on enthusiast websites like these upgrade often as a hobby, they choose to keep up with technology in order to maintain their preference level in every new game; I personally see it as a hassle. So you have to decide your upgrade tendencies beforehand and plan ahead, beyond this upcoming build. "

http://www.evga.com/forums/tm.aspx?h...page=1#1650704
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Welcome to the forum, I don't exactly understand why you've quoted lephron from EVGA forums, do you want us confirm or dispute his claims!?.. on some of the issues raised he's correct, on others he's wrong, some of his suggestions and points are valid while others are borderline delirious.
Since I don't have the time nor the will to write a novel, like the EVGA member quoted above, this will be concise.

First off, no one who's serious about gaming actually contemplates three way or four way anything, that's just nonsense... so if this isn't a display system or an e-peen boasting contraption, forget about 3-4 way SLI or Crossfire.

Depending on how serious you're about your photo/video editing/creation work and the specific tools you're using, a hexa-core SB-E could make an excellent choice... so, if you're using CPU only, rendering engines, and you're doing 3 minute scenes that take days to complete... a 3930K is your best choice.
If however your work is a lot leaner, I'd suggest going with a 3770K, the 3930k does nothing for you when it comes to gaming, the 40 PCIe lanes it offers are pretty much useless as well(keeping in mind the 3-4 way nonsense above), and the extra memory bandwidth and slots are only useful if you have a RAM drive in mind.

Are you an LN2 bencher?.. if not, drop the Rampage V Extreme, it does nothing for you.
If you're going with an X79 build I suggest you pick the Rampage V Gene or Rampage V Formula(if not considerably more expensive).

If you're going with a Z77 build, the clear pick is the Maximus V Gene.
Add to that a high-end 7970 or 680, I'd suggest a Lightning from MSI.
Get a cheap two piece 16GB RAM kit, speed doesn't matter all that much.
Get a good SSD, a Vertex4 from OCZ would be my first pick right now.
A high end ~700W PSU, something that could comfortably take a two way 680 SLI or 7970 CFX.
The cooler you picked is excellent, though not a particularly good deal at 100$+ shipped, but you seem to know what to look for so I'm confident you'll find better priced solutions if you want to.
At ~3000$ there's simply no excuse to skimp on the monitor for such a setup, a quality 1440p IPS solution is the bare minimum I'd recommend, I'd probably go for a triple monitor setup at that budget, using LED UltraSharps most likely.

There rest is pretty much subject to taste and personal preference(case, peripherals, etc).
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For gaming, I never go over 8GB of memory use on my 16GB system, for Autodesk or the like, 16GB is the minimum I'd recommend.
I'm going to recommend a z68 or z77 based board, socket 1155 of course, with either the i7-2600k or 2700k, or the i7-3770k.
Dual GTX680, or even GTX580s would work well for you. I am suggesting the 580 as well as the 680 because the 580 has more GPU-compute power whereas the 680 rules in gaming. And GPU compute matters a lot for render apps.
Go for a nice IPS display, because all other options in flat screens lose colour fidelity, professional graphic artists only started moving from CRT displays when IPS came along.
A nice 256GB SSD and a 2TB regular HDD would be a perfect combination, I love my Crucial M4 SSD.

Watch out for the K90, it can be picky, mine died during a firmware update, and will be RMAd soon.
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from the pureoverclock forum member Doctor_Death:

Skip the MS keyboard, and go eith the Corsair K90, also the Phanteks CPU coolers do out perform the D14. I'll tell you what, I have a brand new system that I built for Enermax with duel EVGA Classified GTX590s. I have the Gigabyte X79 UD7 installed, but if you perfer ASUS, I can swap it out for a new X79 Rampage 4 Formula. There's also a brand new Intel 3820, and a Lepa G1600 PSU. Blu-ray burner and a DVD burner, 16GBs of Geil 1600MHz, 240GB SSD and a WD 1TB drive. You can own this build for $1500 shipped

Here's a couple of photos, click to enlarge:

http://forums.pureoverclock.com/atta...-build-001.jpg
http://forums.pureoverclock.com/atta...-build-003.jpg


I can add a 3960X but not for $1500 lol if I switch out the UD7 and replace it with the Rampage 4 Formula, and add the 3960X I have to get at least $2200 which is still a hell of a deal. Just the Vision Tek Racer 240GB and the WD 1TB would set you back a little over $400, never mind the EVGA Classified GTX590s, beside the new GTX690s the 590's are still one of the fastest cards around.

http://forums.pureoverclock.com/gene...3k-budget.html

what do you think?


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i've heard of the k90 firmware issues, if i decided to go with a razer naga would a cherry mx blue mechanical keyboard suffice?

http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product...82E16823201040

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or black switches

http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product...82E16823201045
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Don't add 3960X, it's a gratituous waste of money, only thing it gives you over 3930K is bragging rights, really.
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The 3820 gives you nothing over the 3770K considering what you plan to use it for, the 3960X makes no sense either, considering how much better value a 3930K offers. The Lepa G1600 is pointless and a needless expense for such a build, the Vision Tek Racer 240GB is not something I'd buy. The NH-D14 is inferior to the PH-TC14PE, albeit by a small margin. Stay away from 590s.
W/e you do, do not buy a 3000$ system without written warranties, at least for the expensive parts. So keep away from 2000$ forum deals.
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Are the headphones I listed nicely compatible with the soundcard? I wan't 7.1 surround and listen to music that is at mid range.
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7.1 surround headphones are almost entirely awful, and if you're going to use a soundcard, then they will almost all not work with it, they usually have a USB connector and onboard sound-chips.
On the other hand, the AD-700s are renowned as fine headphones, so ignore the above. And any headphones with a regular headphone plug will work on a good soundcard, you will need a separate mic for comms.

MX reds (as in the K90) are quiet, and super-light touch. The blues are a bit heavier, and blacks, I believe, have a slight click. Clicky switches are wonderful to type on, less good to game with. I had trouble typing on my k90 as well, as sometimes it felt like even slightly brushing a key would trigger it. If you want to type on it as well as game, I'd recommend the blues or blacks.
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