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Old 12-06-2017
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I got a new gaming PC on my living room with an SF-450 P. Supply and i am looking to buy a budget UPS that does not exceed 200 euros to protect the PC and the Monitor.

Do you think these are good options or do you have something else in mind to recommend

https://www.kotsovolos.gr/site/compu...-apc-rs-1500va

http://www.kafkas.gr/proionta/ktiria...chk-rs2_52418/

EDIT: APC was on sale for 270 euros, now it seems that deal is gone
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I got a new gaming PC on my living room with an SF-450 P. Supply and i am looking to buy a budget UPS that does not exceed 200 euros to protect the PC and the Monitor.

Do you think these are good options or do you have something else in mind to recommend

https://www.kotsovolos.gr/site/compu...-apc-rs-1500va

http://www.kafkas.gr/proionta/ktiria...chk-rs2_52418/

EDIT: APC was on sale for 270 euros, now it seems that deal is gone
At the price of 200 i would suggest this APC UPS :
http://www.e-shop.gr/apc-back-ups-pr...o-p-PER.664137
P.S. You don't have to ask if i'm from Greece, it's obvious !
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I saw the link and it was the first thing i wondered, nice to see a fellow Greek in here.

Do you think a 900VA at 200 is a good bargain, when the 1600 was recently going for 270?

And moreover will the power outpur be enough? I read an article saying you nead an approximate 1.6 * W to get the Recommended VA.

So a 450W PSU times 1.6 = 720 VA, will the remaining 180 VA suffice for a PC Monitor or a 4K LED TV?
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I saw the link and it was the first thing i wondered, nice to see a fellow Greek in here.

Do you think a 900VA at 200 is a good bargain, when the 1600 was recently going for 270?

And moreover will the power outpur be enough? I read an article saying you nead an approximate 1.6 * W to get the Recommended VA.

So a 450W PSU times 1.6 = 720 VA, will the remaining 180 VA suffice for a PC Monitor or a 4K LED TV?
1) First of all, it's an APC product, which is tested through time, so its quality is certain. Surely you can look for other cheaper brands, but for me personally, my philosophy is that "in an area where NO professional reviews exist (*that is the UPS area sadly ), i'll choose a product from a famous and well known brand (such as APC or Cyberpower) rather than risk with another company".
You have to consider that the UPS, is the most important part of your system. From this hardware's proper function depends the longevity of your entire system. Combine this with what i said earlier, that for this hardware of extreme importance there are no reviews !! and you'll understand why i propose a well known product rather than a cheaper one. (*i could be wrong of course, but this is my way of thinking)
2) Also, i'm not aware of the article that you mention, but one thing is for sure: that the UPS's capacity must exceed the PC's maximum power consumption. So since your system uses a 450watt PSU (*and logically, for a living-room uses, it will have an actual power consumption around 300watt, -what is your hardware by the way? you didn't say-), then you can see that the 540watt UPS that i proposed should be more than enough.

EDIT: Just noticed this Cyberpower UPS, which , -by the 1st look-, seems like a very interesting choice at low price :
600watt version : https://www.skroutz.gr/s/11011963/Cy...R1000ELCD.html ( https://www.cyberpower.com/eu/en/pro.../BR1000ELCD-FR )
720watt version : https://www.hellasphone.gr/index.php...ct_id=43851747 ( https://www.cyberpower.com/au/en/product/sku/BR1200ELCD )
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Since you mentioned cyberpower heres a good one, usually recommended in Greece that also hits close to the mark in terms of price

https://www.skroutz.gr/s/374105/Cybe...00EPFCLCD.html

There was a comment though stating it is not for Active PFC supplies, something to do with sinewaves

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jijxn-uLmAE

I am not an expert in any way, could you say what this is all about, and also if UPS is intended for use with monitors, or if it is better to go with a surge protected power outlet instead
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Since you mentioned cyberpower heres a good one, usually recommended in Greece that also hits close to the mark in terms of price

https://www.skroutz.gr/s/374105/Cybe...00EPFCLCD.html

There was a comment though stating it is not for Active PFC supplies, something to do with sinewaves

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jijxn-uLmAE

I am not an expert in any way, could you say what this is all about, and also if UPS is intended for use with monitors, or if it is better to go with a surge protected power outlet instead
You are giving me a VERY hard time with your comments, since i'm just a customer!! but i'll try to do my best!!
1) Funny that you put a link for Cyberpower CP1500EPFCLCD !! I just gave for recycling my old CP1300EPFCLCD
2) If you are asking which from these 2 UPSs ( APC BR900G-GR Vs Cyberpower CP1500EPFCLCD ) is better, generally speaking, they belong at the same category and it's difficult for me to say (*if anyone else can, then by all means... ) .
At their manuals :
- the BR900G-GR says "Waveform Type:
Stepped Approximation to Sine Wave" while the CP1500EPFCLCD says " On Battery Waveform: Pure Sine Wave"
- also the BR900G-GR has Output (on battery):230V +/-8% while the CP1500EPFCLCD says : On Battery Voltage(s) (Vac): 230 10%
so.... go figure which one prevails!!
3) The only reviewer that i know, who has dealt with UPS's measurements is Pavel (username: Behemot), but he has been banned from JonnyGuru forums due to bad language!!!
You can check his article, i believe that it will help you : https://www.hardwareinsights.com/dat...t-waveforms/2/ (*and you can also contact him through his site )
4) Finally...!!, i'll show you an old question of mine to Cyberpower 2-3 years ago, asking them for their opinion, perhaps you'll find that helpful :
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Hello.
I want you to recommend me the best from the following UPS, according protection from electrical spikes and other possible electrical anomalies.
1) http://eu.cyberpowersystems.com/prod...300epfclcd.htm
2) http://eu.cyberpowersystems.com/prod...350eavrlcd.htm
3) http://eu.cyberpowersystems.com/prod...pr1500elcd.htm
4) http://eu.cyberpowersystems.com/prod...ols1000exl.htm

Also, can you rank these 4 UPS, with the same criteria, from 1 to 4, which one provides the best protection from electrical anomalies? (1 - the best protection- to 4 -worst protection- ) Thank you.
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Dear Sir,

I hope you are fine and happy and many thanks for your email inquiry.
I will have to say that in principle online UPS systems provide the best possible power regulation as they can achieve a constant power output.
As such, the OLS1000E is the #1 choice using the critecria you mentioned. By the way, there is no XL model stocked in Europe.
However, there are drawbacks in comparison to the Line Interactive technologies that the other UPS systems you selected are based... For example, higher power consumtion and higher noise level as fans run continously.

Second choice (or first depending on how you look at it), is the PR1500ELCD. This is a GREAT system with low power consumption (less than 10W), great business features, ergonomics, easy battery service, low noise level (fans work only in some cases), etc. However this is Line Interactive technology, meaning at least a +/-5% variance in power regulation. Filtering is great on all models. An alternative to this model with the best price/performance is the PR1000ELCD. A great choice!

Third comes the CP1300EPFCLCD. A nice SOHO system with USB chargers, pure sinewave output, low power consumption (less that 5W), very low noise, but +/-7% on power output regulation as variance. Also can not buck the high currents.

Last is the CP1350... Similar to the CP1300EPFCLCD, but simulated sinewave output, and no USB chargers. This model actually is no longer stocked in Europe.

Again many thanks for your inquiry and always at your service.
Very Kind Regards,
George K.
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. . . 1) Funny that you put a link for Cyberpower CP1500EPFCLCD !! I just gave for recycling my old CP1300EPFCLCD
I hope you realize that when a battery goes bad you can replace it. The generic ones are very cheap.
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I hope you realize that when a battery goes bad you can replace it. The generic ones are very cheap.
yeap i know, i just have moved forward to more expensive UPSs (Cyberpower's batteries are still just fine, i just wanted something better).
(APC SMART SMT750I for myself and APC SMART SMT1000I for my brother).
I had the Cyberpower CP1300EPFCLCD just sitting on the self for more than 2 years, so i decided that it was about time to recycle it!!
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Aww yeah! Pure sine wave! Nice purchase!
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