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1)If that is the case then they did a bad job writing OR the person looking at the review did a bad job of reading. Take your pick.
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2)Why? Other people do them. Those other people also don't do turn-on tests. Everyone has their niche, specialty, and voice. If everyone does things the exact same way with the exact voice like you guys want, this place will die.
1)Well Paul, there are lot of examples in which there can not be a 100% solid conclusion, about which PSU a reviewer values more, if a score doesn't exists.
I'm reffering to PSUs with very similar performance / quality. In such a case, the small details will judge which one the reviewer thinks as the better one, and in such a case, the reader is almost impossible to conclude about which of these 2 units the reviewer (as the expert) will value more!
1st Example:
http://www.hardocp.com/article/2015/...9#.V8fWbDWuH9I
http://www.hardocp.com/article/2015/...9#.V8fWDjWuH9I
2nd Example:
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/...u,4407-10.html
https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/...GS_650/12.html

In these 2 examples, if you exclude the score (at Techpowerup review), and judge only with texts, it's near impossible to state which of these units the reviewer values as the better one.
If a score existed, this could be very easily answered (*i'll say again, provided that the reviewer has done everything correctly from his side, which is something very difficult but still, this is a part of his/her job!!)

2)Every reviewer should have his/her own criteria, but he/she should not ignore the changes when these do appear.
I tell this from my point as a customer who reads PSU reviews. Among the PSU reviews that exist right now, i would pay much more attention to Aris's ones, since objectively, it is the one with the more measurements/details.
Is it wise for the other reviewers to ignore that?
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Pretty sure he's referring to holdup time and protections testing...
Exactly that! i was reffering to the data presented, not the language used.
I aggree that Pavel very often overly exaggerates during his reviews.
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In these 2 examples, if you exclude the score (at Techpowerup review), and judge only with texts, it's near impossible to state which of these units the reviewer values as the better one.
That's because they're very close, so it should be difficult. It depends on the price and some small differences which can be an upside for some but a downside for another.
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If a score existed, this could be very easily answered
No with scoring someone would get the wrong impression, because the one with the highest score could easily be the worst choice.
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1)That's because they're very close, so it should be difficult. It depends on the price and some small differences which can be an upside for some but a downside for another.

2)No with scoring someone would get the wrong impression, because the one with the highest score could easily be the worst choice.

1)Yes it's difficult, but still i want to know which one the reviewer values as the better one (*from his side of view. What i will conclude by myself is another matter).
I want to see the reviewer saying that "according to his criteria the unit A) gets 91%, while the unit B) is somewhat inferior and gets 88%".
It's very essential for me to be able to have an exact measurement of the reviewer's opinion!!

2)For you or me, or anybody else, yes, but i don't want yours or mine or anybody else's conclusion, i want to see the reviewer's conclusion!!
If you or I or anybody else will aggree or dissagree with this conclusion is another matter!!
I must have the expert's exact conclusion and this can be done only by scoring the product!!
P.S. I consider you an expert as well, don't get me wrong, the words i used above was for the sake of the discussion!!
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Sure I've added a few ad spots, but I will always keep them PC related.
Well, I wouldn't...

I'd also think about PSU measuring related stuff...

And that means:
Fluke, Keysight, Rohde & Schwartz, Tectronics, Rigol, Bryman and so on...
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I think most of the readers are mainstream PC enthusiasts, not electrical engineers who would enjoy Rigol ads.
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And what if you look for 1 hour a day at YouPorn/PornHUB?
Sorry, couldn't resist!
If you visit that, you should be using incognito mode or private browsing!
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1)Well Paul, there are lot of examples in which there can not be a 100% solid conclusion, about which PSU a reviewer values more, if a score doesn't exists.
I'm reffering to PSUs with very similar performance / quality. In such a case, the small details will judge which one the reviewer thinks as the better one, and in such a case, the reader is almost impossible to conclude about which of these 2 units the reviewer (as the expert) will value more!
1st Example:
http://www.hardocp.com/article/2015/...9#.V8fWbDWuH9I
http://www.hardocp.com/article/2015/...9#.V8fWDjWuH9I
I can't, for the life of me, figure out how that is not a 100% obvious solid conclusion. One product is $40 more than the other.....and they end mixed against each other in the tested criteria.......

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That's because they're very close, so it should be difficult. It depends on the price and some small differences which can be an upside for some but a downside for another.
See, The Mask read it and it was obvious.
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If the unit blows up on camera in a big way, you're golden. Most of the ones I've had let go, don't let go in a camera worth way. The only other part of the process that would be remotely worth watching, would be the tear down process.
Even that though isn't terribly useful and you'd either have a really long boring video or have to spend a lot of time editing the video down. So, billable cost would go way up and cost to serve the video would be added. For most sites that increase in cost wouldn't be sustainable.
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Even that though isn't terribly useful and you'd either have a really long boring video or have to spend a lot of time editing the video down. So, billable cost would go way up and cost to serve the video would be added. For most sites that increase in cost wouldn't be sustainable.
Oh I agree 100%...

I do record my testing for a few reasons. I run one web cam on the PSU to catch the WOW moment if there is one. I run the other web cam on the tester to catch the numbers at the moment it goes BOOM. Like with everything, when you're watching it, it ain't going to go BOOM.
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LOL, you mean his approach when he opens datasheet from crapxon or teapo for long-life series (which almost nobody ever saw because they cost the same or more than quality long-life series from japanese brands) and keeps telling to random people around him how great it is because they say so in it?
Pavel, I know someone who has seen one of those long life CapXon capacitors. In particular the KH series -> 'standard' high ripple current ones with 5000-10.000h lifetime...

I bet you don't wanna know who it was...

Because it was:

Y O U!

though they were used only filtering the fan voltage output......
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