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Obviously not all Chinese capacitor manufacturers have to be terrible in perpetuity. But how do you *know* they'll last five years? Accelerated aging isn't always reliable; I bet those Dell and Asus boards full of bad Nichicons passed their accelerated aging tests back in '04. They still failed. Some companies could be making quality parts now: they still have to demonstrate it in units in the field, or present very, very compelling evidence of their improvements, before I'd trust them in a high-reliability design.
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Obviously not all Chinese capacitor manufacturers have to be terrible in perpetuity. But how do you *know* they'll last five years? Accelerated aging isn't always reliable; I bet those Dell and Asus boards full of bad Nichicons passed their accelerated aging tests back in '04. They still failed. Some companies could be making quality parts now: they still have to demonstrate it in units in the field, or present very, very compelling evidence of their improvements, before I'd trust them in a high-reliability design.
Yeah those nichicons were truly poor.
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You only source product made in China for one reason and it's not quality. Really, there's no defending it. It's cheaper, end of story. Also, what they showed you to get your business and what they ship you down the road are often quite different.
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Henry Ford was faced with the same challenges.
And to this day Ford quality, while decent in most cases and better than it was, still isn't the the best across the board. Indeed, last year something like 60% of Ford models were rated much much worse than the competition in reliability and quality. So, indeed, Ford has faced the same changes as the Chinese and while driving massive market share like the Chinese, massive returns (now) like the Chinese, etc and just like the Chinese they continue to turn out a product 110 years later that is not top notch.

PS, I own both Ford stock as well as Ford (EUCD and F-Series) products

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You only source product made in China for one reason and it's not quality. Really, there's no defending it. It's cheaper, end of story. Also, what they showed you to get your business and what they ship you down the road are often quite different.
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CapXon is a Taiwanese company listed in Hong Kong. I'm not implying that it's reliable, but it's not that terrible.

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my recent experience with "Good" Chinese products is really traumatic. Bought an expensive (for Chinese standards) sound calibrator which was highly recommended and promised very low error margin only to find out that it was a real piece of crap. With so many counterfeits there and numerous factories producing the same thing with various quality standards you can't be sure of anything.

I want to believe that Corsair's engineers are sure about the quality of the provided CapXon caps that this unit uses but speaking on my behalf I would like to see full Japanese ones in today's best PSU. It isn't a matter of ripple since performance wise most of the times Japanese and (good) Chinese caps perform almost the same, but it is more a reliability -on the long run- issue and as I mentioned in other posts Japanese caps age slower hence keep their good performance for longer periods.

I am well aware that we speak about polymer caps here which last for much longer but still I would prefer if they sold it for 470-480 bucks and used full Japanese than at 446 bucks with many CapXons inside. At this price range I don't think that some more dollars would keep anyone from buying it. As it is now I am pretty sure that many plain users who see Chinese components as second or third tier and Japanese ones as first will be let down. If it didn't blow me by its performance I would probably be (very) let down by the caps choice.
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