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Old 08-19-2013
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Hello,

I am building a new pc for a friend. He doesnt play too many modern games, so to cut cost down I was going to have him run off the stock video processor (He can buy a pci-e card when he needs to).

My question is which is a better video processor: the one built into the 4670k or that comes with the AMD 8350?

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p.s. some benchmarks or links to any data would be appreciated.
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Old 08-20-2013
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well, since AMD is a generation past the 8350 on the desktop, all the comparisons are between the A-10 IGP and the Intel Haswell improvements.

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or that comes with the AMD 8350?
The 8350 does not in fact have IGP, so that might help with understanding why reviews are so few.

The key is that neither will result in any kind of playable frame rates in anything except farm-ville.

You are talking the difference bt. 5 and 7 FPS in Crysis, or 7 and 5 FPS in another game...both fail.

Conversely, both(A-10 and Haswell) will be fine for watching you-tube, netflix, and browsing.

Get whichever you like better. If you want to game at all, get a $100 dedicated graphics card...a la AMD 7770 or NVGTX650

JMHO.

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Well, if you're talking the A10 AMD chips, then the IGP in those is significantly better than that in the equivalent Intel Ivy Bridge chips.
Intel's Haswell GPU is still slower than that on the AMD A10 chips, but only by about 4-5%, and given Haswell has a massive performance advantage everywhere else, go Haswell.

And if you consider Crysis as gaming still, so long as you run it at low or medium settings, both chips can run it at acceptable frame rates.
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Well, I agree the AMD is better,

Here is a good comparison:

http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages...ew_apu,11.html

However, I don't consider 20 FPS at 1080 acceptable...even if it is much better than the Intel.
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Well, if you're going to try and use integrated graphics for gaming... you need this:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819113331

The best IGP for gaming right now is the A10-6800K. It's still nowhere near a dedicated solution, but it will be good enough for older games and lower resolutions. Actually, it's similar to the platform being used in the PS4 and XBone. I would try running everything at 1280x720 instead of 1920x1080. It will help a lot.

It should have enough power to run something like Morrowind, Oblivion, Portal, or Half-Life 2. You definitely wouldn't be limited to Farmville.

Also, when you're ready to move up to a dedicated card, you can actually run the IGP in Crossfire with some AMD cards. Not a bad little processor for budget gaming.

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I would go with the 4670K. Ithe graphics is only very marginally slower, and the CPU is much faster. As soon as you add a GPU, any advantage that the AMD had in terms of graphics performance goes straight out the window. While the AMD might allow you to do hybrid Xfire with the IGP, the slower CPU performance might bottleneck it anyway.
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I would go with the 4670K. Ithe graphics is only very marginally slower, and the CPU is much faster. As soon as you add a GPU, any advantage that the AMD had in terms of graphics performance goes straight out the window. While the AMD might allow you to do hybrid Xfire with the IGP, the slower CPU performance might bottleneck it anyway.
That is a very good point. AMD's advantage disappears once you add a good dedicated card, more or less.

I really have not seen the HD 4600 looking too good in reviews, though. It does fall below 30 FPS in games that the APUs don't. Though those are games they probably shouldn't be playing on IGP anyway. They should really test older games on these, not modern HD stuff that we know is too much. That would give a better idea of what to expect.

Still, as long as you don't play anything from after 2006 or go over 720p resolution, you should be fine with either one.

Main thing that sucks is that the Intel chip is almost $100 more, and that reduces their chances of being able to afford a GPU in the near future. The Crossfire set up with a lower-end Radeon might be cheap enough to set up for close to that $100. Something like a 7750.

Intel is definitely FAR better if you can afford it. AMD does have some good deals for people who are on a shoestring budget, though.

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