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    Quote Originally Posted by ianm2 View Post
    toyota always come top for reliability
    It really depends on the model... For example, a lot of current Camry (2007 model year) models came with a defective transmissions (6-speed auto, available only on models with V6 engine), same goes for its luxury variant (Lexus ES350) which shares the same exact transmission - if you will read ToyotaNation or ClubLexus forums, you will find plenty of owners having problems with this POS transmission (even after the TSB "fixes" that were done to them).

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    Quote Originally Posted by ianm2 View Post
    yes we can get allsorts of koreans, but we do like our cars to corner, and not wallow like a hippo in bends, and sadly most japs and koreans don't really do that so well until now, they spend most on the engine I think and the rest is an afterthought
    Then I think you need to test drive a Hyundai or Kia and rethink your blanket assumptions. (I know... you said "most" and not "all.") Might I suggest a Tiburon GTV6 or a Kia Rio5. Even an Elantra is a hoot to drive.

    I come from a long history of driving VW's, primarily MkI GTI's or Rabbits (A1 Golfs) modified to perform like GTI's primarily because there's nothing likee driving a car that feels like you're driving... not riding. I've been reluctant to buy anything else because of my disgust for the way most other cars handled. It's one of my biggest beefs against GM, believe it or not. A car that changes lanes a half second after I move the wheel is not for me.

    Trust me on this. I've even been guilty of yanking out power steering pumps and racks and replacing them with manual racks just so I could have better handling.

    The Hyundais and Kias are the only thing we get over here that's Korean. Daewoo's haven't been in the states for a couple years AFAIK. At least all of the dealers are gone. So if there are other Korean brands out there that I don't know about and they tend to drive like loaves of bread, then I bow out accepting my ignorance.

    EDIT: Oh... and I don't think loving how a car corners have anything to do with what side of the pond you're on. Might I remind you of the Ford Escort XR4Ti? What a loaf of bread that thing was. They had to create a whole new brand over here (Merkur) just to sell it. I'll take a U.S. market Escort ZX2 any day of the week.

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    do you know, its funny, of all the cars here, very very few indeed are proper american, you know, all the interesting ones, of course we have gm(vauxhall) and ford, a little chrysler, but that's about it. there is the odd enthusiast with dodge, pontiac, et al but very few indeed

    I did also say they koreans had got a lot better recently, 5-10 yrs ago they were pretty horrid.


    I don't drive modern ones cos i can't really afford them, so I don't know, but they do look much improved, the cars also seem to have different names, and even models there and here are different, so a hyundai there may not be the same here...only 5 yrs+ ago, they wern't much better than that horrid indian city rover

    no its just in the press, some of the big american cars have a reputation for being a soggy sofa on wheels, so people get to think you are a nation of big automatic sofa drivers obviously its a huge generalisation

    but I did say its a good thing to have big roads and big automatic cars, diden't mean to upset you a little.

    totally agree with you there about instant steering response, but you can go too much into boy racer territory, i have grown out of that, now, i had a 170hp honda out of a 1.8 litre engine, it was stock as well,

    the engine was fantastic, but it was doing 4000rpm at 70 and was very tiring, the chassis coudln't handle the power despite being uprated, it was scary fast, but you had to take it from 4-8000rpm to get it to go.

    really peed off all the other drivers when I shot passed them, they don't like to be blown off here at all, great fun but couldn't really live with it.

    fords have got fantastic here in the past 7 years, critically acclaimed in the press, but a little looked down on as common and unposh, they are doing just about everything right. sadly german cars are the presses darling they are seen as the ones to aspire too, despite being much more expensive than fords, they probably aren't that much better. they scare me a bit, because old ones tend to get hammered and parts are very expensive and they have had some reliability problems, but every man or girl wants a bmw or merc here, it means you have made it and can look down on others....

    apparetnly this is a generalisation but I can well believe it, the british are the most car snobbish nation on earth.

    proton are another korean. I thnk there are a few more

    I agree I am a little biased, but I was brought up by my dad on jap. cars, and they have been wonderfully reliable, I was steered away from french and italians, and owned a good few and they mostly were great, apart from the fiat whcih cost me about $1500 for a cylinder head skim and rebuild when the thermostat failed at speed, it was great apart from that, much more fun than any of my dads corollas or hondas or mitsubishis

    he thinks anything bigger than 1.6 litre is too big!!!!! but sadly gasoline is very very dear here

    but I do always seem to return to the japs, there is just something familiar about them. I like the look of the koreans now, they look very japanese internally, and engine wise. I ain't totally biased

    I tell you what makes me wonder, this isn't a total generalisation....you do have lots of big engines, 4, 6 even 8 litres, multipot, so do we, but nowhere near as much in the culture, how do you go down to these european 1.6 litre and 2 litre engines or even less after those?

    by toyotas, i meant the ones Paul is thinking of, corollas, they have a peerless reputation here, my dad has had about 2 or 3 toyotas, never a problem apart from consumables, nissans are pretty reliable i think.

    one thing i factor in is availabitlity and price of parts, I try to buy trade parts now, for a reasonably common popular car, another reason why I shy from koreans, as until now they haven't been that popular, spares were more difficult to get and pricier.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ianm2 View Post
    I tell you what makes me wonder, this isn't a total generalisation....you do have lots of big engines, 4, 6 even 8 litres, multipot, so do we, but nowhere near as much in the culture, how do you go down to these european 1.6 litre and 2 litre engines or even less after those?
    Must be the biased "SUV driving nation" stuff you're hearing over there. Most cars here are 4-cyl. A 3.0 V6 is about as big as I'd personally consider (I have my eye on that Tiburon GTV6.) Yes, we have a lot of SUV's over here, and the SUV's are obviously bigger cars with bigger engines, but that's a different segment of drivers: Those not concerned with gas mileage or even the joy of driving. But even those aren't always with "overkill engines." Quite a few of those only have 2.0L fours in them.

    Even my big ol' Jetta Wagon (Bora Variant for you Europeans) is only a 2.0L. I could've gotten the VR6, but figured "what's the point?" It gets out of it's own way fairly adequately. And the gas mileage on that car is still better than it is in my little, leightweight 2.0L 16V powered Elantra.

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    6.6 FTW baybee! Oh, but I'm longing for another road bomber. I'd dearly love to have another Grand Prix or maybe a late 60's Catalina with a minimum of a 6.6 in either one.

    My first car was a '73 GP and I built it pretty stout. Big cam, 850CFM carb, headers, ETC and in town I got a whopping 6 MPG but on the freeway it was a whole other story... 33 MPG.

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    Quote Originally Posted by madmat View Post
    6.6 FTW baybee!
    Meet my first two cars (the '88 NY'er is my third):



    1979 Lincoln Continental #2 - 6.6L V8, dual exhaust. It could actually get up and move if you put your foot down hard enough

    Had it for 8 years... sold it in early '04.



    1979 Lincoln Continental #1 - also 6.6L. No dual exhaust. Handled and moved like a garden slug. Hard to beat the ride though. Still miss this one - lost it to a deer in '95.

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    I need something like that so I can run into other people.

    Really.

    Like when someone takes up two parking spaces? Plow right into one of them regardless of how much body damage you're going to create.

    And when someone blocks an intersection because they had to get across before the light turned red even though traffic isn't moving? I would love to have something where I could go, "Oops... Light's green. Time to go. CRASH!" and not have to worry about replacing a $300 plastic 5MPH bumper.

    Yeah, my first car had a high lift cam, bored head, mandrel bent header and pipes, progressive throttle body.... but it was only a 1.8L VW.

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    lol - I was going 80kph when that white one hit the deer.

    Deer? Didn't know what hit it. Car? Front end pushed in about a foot on the left side, but the rest of it looked completely unharmed. Engine was still running. Not many other cars on the road could take a hit from one of these without turning into a mangled mess

    Speaking of parking spaces, I got stuck in a parking garage in the silver one. At 20 feet long and 6' 10" wide it just couldn't navigate the turns and I had to back out of there. Scraped the passenger side making a turn in a different parking garage.

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    http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.js...500&cardist=43

    Crazy long link, but first impressions? Looks like the earlier Neons had problems with gaskets and such, but the later models were considered pretty highly.

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    Older Neons weren't so good - sister had a '97. It had problems with the body, tranny, and PS/AC belts flying off IIRC. Not sure when they improved, but they did. You might want to pop in at the Allpar.com forums to do some more research on them... it's a nice friendly place I frequent often

    The tranny will likely be either 3 speed hydraulic or 4 speed electronic - if 4 speed, get it checked out as I mentioned before with the A604/41TE. '99 was a whole lot better tranny wise, and the Neons used a 40TE and are much smaller than the vehicles that usually have trouble with those trannies, but better safe than sorry methinks.

    Other than that, I don't know a lot about the Neons except I don't fit in them so well. If you're over 6' 5" you might want to look at something else.

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