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    9600K don't work on Z170...
    You need a Z370 or 390 if you want to OC

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rekuet View Post
    What about internals?
    What do you mean?
    I only recommend PSU with independant voltage regulation
    Quote Originally Posted by ehume View Post
    They're not bad CPUs, just expensive.
    ...wich is what makes them bad
    A VW Up for 35k is a pretty bad car...
    Quote Originally Posted by ehume View Post
    But the NVIDIA GPUs generally run cooler (use less power?) than AMD graphics cards.
    That's not true.
    Or rather that is only true in the last couple of years, with Fermi vs. Terascale, AMD was more efficient.
    Anyway with Navi (5700 series) its not that bad.
    But it also looks that nVidia Cards "lose performance" against the AMD Cards when they get older.
    That might simply be because of some "secret sauce" nVidia uses -> Driver optimization.
    And they just stop doing that when the Card gets older and thus you can argue that we then see the "real performance".

    And here the GK104 drops to Pitcairn levels in many cases and Tahiti battles with GK110 (GTX780) in many cases...

    Quote Originally Posted by Rekuet View Post
    Okay, it seems like u wonder why did i choose intel over amd. In russia they sell asus maximus hero viii z170 for a very low price (lower than cheapest z370/z390). So, we have b450+3600 and modded z170+9600k at the same price. Moreover, i dont play games that need a lot of cores. Finally, even if i go with amd, i will still need to change mobo, when ddr5 comes out. My question is: corsair rm is not high quality psu?
    So you can get the ASUS Maximus Hero for 100?? I doubt that.
    Since B450 isn't compatible, you have to look for the Ryzen 3000 ready sticker or get an older CPU that works on B450 (=Zen1 or so, for example Athlon 200GE) or get a Board that works out of the Box -> Sticker or special Version (MSI B450 Tomahawk MAX).
    The Cheapest Board that I'd use would be:
    MSI B450 Tomahawk MAX
    MSI B450-A PRO MAX
    MSI B450M PRO VDH Max

    In that order.
    The first one is around 100, the PRO MAX around 90 or so and the VDH around 80.

    So to me Its a no brainer:
    Get a decent quality mainstream B450 for 100-125 or so.
    At around 160 the X570 Boards start wich are guaranteed to work with Zen2 CPUs and are more likely to get an update for Zen3 once it comes out later next year.

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    Corsair rm doesnt have independant voltage regulation?
    New maximus viii hero cost 71 euros in Russia

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rekuet View Post
    Corsair rm doesnt have independant voltage regulation?
    Of course it does. It uses DC to DC for the +3.3V and +5V like any modern power supply would.

    I'm not sure what Stefan is referring to when he says "I only recommend PSU with independant voltage regulation." There's no context to his statement.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stefan Payne View Post
    What do you mean?
    I only recommend PSU with independant voltage regulation

    ...wich is what makes them bad
    A VW Up for 35k is a pretty bad car...

    That's not true.
    Or rather that is only true in the last couple of years, with Fermi vs. Terascale, AMD was more efficient.
    Anyway with Navi (5700 series) its not that bad.
    But it also looks that nVidia Cards "lose performance" against the AMD Cards when they get older.
    That might simply be because of some "secret sauce" nVidia uses -> Driver optimization.
    And they just stop doing that when the Card gets older and thus you can argue that we then see the "real performance".

    And here the GK104 drops to Pitcairn levels in many cases and Tahiti battles with GK110 (GTX780) in many cases...


    So you can get the ASUS Maximus Hero for 100?? I doubt that.
    Since B450 isn't compatible, you have to look for the Ryzen 3000 ready sticker or get an older CPU that works on B450 (=Zen1 or so, for example Athlon 200GE) or get a Board that works out of the Box -> Sticker or special Version (MSI B450 Tomahawk MAX).
    The Cheapest Board that I'd use would be:
    MSI B450 Tomahawk MAX
    MSI B450-A PRO MAX
    MSI B450M PRO VDH Max

    In that order.
    The first one is around 100, the PRO MAX around 90 or so and the VDH around 80.

    So to me Its a no brainer:
    Get a decent quality mainstream B450 for 100-125 or so.
    At around 160 the X570 Boards start wich are guaranteed to work with Zen2 CPUs and are more likely to get an update for Zen3 once it comes out later next year.
    Nvidia "lost performance" with time compare to AMD beacuse AMD rebrand there core for a lot more years compare to Nvidia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rekuet View Post
    Corsair rm doesnt have independant voltage regulation?
    It does have independant voltage regulation via dual buck converter...

    Quote Originally Posted by Rekuet View Post
    New maximus viii hero cost 71 euros in Russia
    You still have to hack/modify that Board, thus violating warranty and potentially fight with a not well working System that might have some serious issues vs. something that works well out of the box and don't require tinkering...
    Quote Originally Posted by Jon Gerow View Post
    I'm not sure what Stefan is referring to when he says "I only recommend PSU with independant voltage regulation."
    Only to things I recommend, meaning that If I recommend something, I make sure that they are independantly regulated.
    Others may have other recommendations wich, over here, usually are also independantly regulated.

    Quote Originally Posted by none77 View Post
    Nvidia "lost performance" with time compare to AMD beacuse AMD rebrand there core for a lot more years compare to Nvidia.
    That's utter nonsense. Why'd you say stuff like that?!
    That has nothing to do with it!

    the most likely is that they concentrate their server farm optimization to cards that they sell right now and not the "old shit"...
    You can argue that its a form of "planned obsolescence" from nVidia...

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    Hhhhh
    Why I am saying that?
    AMD raped the poor GCN architecture for 7 years.
    The driver optimization was way easier than Nvida with more new architectures.

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    Quote Originally Posted by none77 View Post
    Hhhhh
    Why I am saying that?
    Yes, because its nonsense...
    And its more probable that nVidia just doesn't give all the Optimizations to older Cards or just doesn't optimize for them anymore...
    Quote Originally Posted by none77 View Post
    AMD raped the poor GCN architecture for 7 years.
    Maybe you and your friends should have bought AMD, then AMD could have had more money and could done a better job, when they were competitive or better than nVidia.
    Remember the Tahiti and Hawaii Cards having +1GiB VRAM? And today smoke their competitors!
    In some cases the lower end (Pitcairn) is on the level of the 680/770 and the Tahitis trade blows with the 780...

    Quote Originally Posted by none77 View Post
    The driver optimization was way easier than Nvida with more new architectures.
    Isn't it more likely that nVidia just doesn't optimize their old stuff (as much)??
    And AMD in general doesn't do that much optimization as nVidia??

    There was a Developer in the 3DCenter Forum, who once was a bit outraged because there were objects disappearing, after he send the code to nVidia..

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