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    Exclamation Japanese Capacitor Cartel 1998-2012 fined by EU Commission

    I thought this is interesting to post here, as I just found out:
    http://europa.eu/rapid/press-release_IP-18-2281_en.htm

    Is this possibly a duplicate? Sorry in advance. Couldn't search using my mobile. Search popup kept disappearing everytime I touched the input field.

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    I think the price of the japanese caps would become higher after that fines.
    I can't even immagine a day when most of PSU's would have only CapXon's, JunFu's, Aishi and other cheap brands even in high end models. If so, the 10 year warranty's would be reduced to only 2 years.

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    Unless... it drives designs that are easier on capacitors... imagine no longer needing water based electrolytes (for low ESR) and going back to ethylene glycol if the ripple could be reduced. I think this is why even cheap primary capacitors last so long.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ashiekh View Post
    Unless... it drives designs that are easier on capacitors... imagine no longer needing water based electrolytes (for low ESR) and going back to ethylene glycol if the ripple could be reduced. I think this is why even cheap primary capacitors last so long.
    I actually tested the 12V cap from an unit that came with a lenovo PC (core 2 duo, ddr2, it has about 10 years in use) (And spent the last year mining with a RX 560).

    https://i.imgur.com/2g9phFN.jpg

    https://i.imgur.com/p16ABhI.jpg

    465 uF and 0.10 Ohm ESR.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Samueru Sama View Post
    465 uF and 0.10 Ohm ESR
    ESR degrades very quickly at the end of life, so I guess it wasn't much better when new; a good low ESR capacitor of that rating should have a much lower resistance than 0.1 Ohm.

    Then again I expect several times this capacitance on the 12V line, so maybe this wasn't the main smoothing capacitor and wasn't intended to be low ESR; it seems to have lasted.
    Last edited by ashiekh; 03-23-2018 at 07:03 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ashiekh View Post
    ESR degrades very quickly at the end of life, so I guess it wasn't much better when new; a good low ESR capacitor of that rating should have a much lower resistance than 0.1 Ohm.

    Then again I expect several times this capacitance on the 12V line, so maybe this wasn't the main smoothing capacitor and wasn't intended to be low ESR; it seems to have lasted.

    It actually was the only cap for the 12V. (hey, it's a oem unit that came in a 2008 prebuild).

    Wikipedia defines the Standard aluminum capacitor with an ESR raging from 0.13 to 1.5 Ohm.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equiva...ies_resistance

    This one is definitely under that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Samueru Sama View Post
    Wikipedia defines the Standard aluminum capacitor with an ESR raging from 0.13 to 1.5 Ohm.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equiva...ies_resistance

    This one is definitely under that.
    0.04 Ohm for the low ESR 16V 470uF Panasonic FM
    https://www.mouser.com/ds/2/315/ABA0000C1018-947496.pdf
    Last edited by ashiekh; 03-24-2018 at 11:43 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZenBalancer View Post
    I thought this is interesting to post here, as I just found out:
    http://europa.eu/rapid/press-release_IP-18-2281_en.htm

    Is this possibly a duplicate? Sorry in advance. Couldn't search using my mobile. Search popup kept disappearing everytime I touched the input field.
    Amazing..

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