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    Quote Originally Posted by Tator Tot View Post
    Germans require units that are quiet, have multiple 12v rails, and adhere to a certain quality standard as far as DC output & build quality are concerned.
    I think the thing with the multiple +12V rails could be my fault


    Quote Originally Posted by Tator Tot View Post
    Germany actually has the highest number of reputable PSU reviewers at the moment, compared to any other single country. They are most likely on par with the English speaking side of things. Which in turn gives them a decently well informed consumer base.
    I think it has to do with the fragmentation of the english speaking world. The German World seems to be much much more compressed.
    And thus most of the english speaking reviewers are long gone and no new ones who could possible replace those guys. Possibly because of the fragmentation of the english world and the fragmentation of knowledge.

    There aren't that many big forums in Germany and most of the people who are interested in Powersupplys converge at one point...
    And thus the possibility of new/possible PSU reviewers increases...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tator Tot View Post
    Yes BeQuiet hasn't been around as those OEMs but those OEMs also do not care about BeQuiet nor does BeQuiet care about them as they are both operating in separate markets.

    While FSP, Seasonic, & SuperFlower all have retail arms, that is not the bulk of their business. So if one little company has the majority share in one country, it's not going to bother them. Especially when they get to sell units & designs to that company.

    Like wise, those same OEMs would love to be the only OEM in town. That's just business in a nutshell. You want to be at least the dominant provider in the market if not the sole provider so that you dictate the market and where it goes.



    Germans require units that are quiet, have multiple 12v rails, and adhere to a certain quality standard as far as DC output & build quality are concerned.
    Now i get it about Bequiet bussiness.If the SF , FSP sales are from the rebranders then is obvious why they(FSP, SF) are not intersted.I mean Bequiet knows better the germans than any other brand because Bequiet is a german company with german people.When a company want to enter a new country they hire a local people and begin to get acustomed with that country through the local people.Bequiet are the local peoples.They know the language, the customs and what germans want.
    SPC is in same boat in Poland.The thing with ex-communist european countries is sometimes they can release a freaking great product and other times they go to the other extreme and release a really poor product...OR same good product is not QC-ed very well and some stocks have very good quality and the next stock of same product may fail completely for some reason.

    If what Behemot said about Enduro PSU then SPC just shooted itself in the foot and German will not accept such quality...On the other hand Eastern European countries still accept this kind of quality...
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    We have our on shit here, like MS-Tech and that Inter Tech Stuff (like SL-500, Combat Power)....

    So yeah, there still are 'Germans' who want that shit (mostly business persons)...

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    If you have inter-tech and Ms-tech now the SPC psu look better imo for those bussines people even if it's exploding later ... This is a plus.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tator Tot View Post
    Germans require units that are quiet, have multiple 12v rails, and adhere to a certain quality standard as far as DC output & build quality are concerned.
    That is very interesting as until recently - under the pressure of competition - BQ! units had anything but quality components inside, the output quality was (and for some series is) far from good, warranty was (and is) far below the main competition and even today way too many of their units are not really silent under full load. All that for usually lot higher price than the competition asks.

    Can you please show me where is the informed user base there? I can't see it, in my eyes, informed consumer base would not buy such products in the numbers they do. Please not I am not by far saying BQ! units are bad (well, besides few of them anyway). What I am saying is most of the units I personally tested were always at least second-best in most parameters AND that for higher price. So the performance per dollar ratio is way worse. Wouldn't informed consumer go for the better deal??

    myststars: well, the issue is, who actually knows the protection(s) do(es) not work?? I don't think the unit undergo any proper testing anywhere. Just look even at the big english-written websites: who tests OTP? As far as I know, JG does not, TPU does not, etc.… And how many of them test OCP/OPP? How many of them overload the units? Almost nobody. So even units with great score from such sites may explode in your face if you push them too far because nobody tested the protection they claim to have!

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    I know 2 sites that load the PSU's until they turn off ... gently
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    That's a start. They also test OTP?

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    For example:

    http://www.kitguru.net/components/po...-psu-review/5/

    Maximum load 704w until it shut down...

    About over temperature protection i don't remember anything specific.
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    Well, it seems that they did some calculation mistakes.

    8x3,24 + 9*4,97 + 48*12.05 + 2,5*4.99 + 0,3*12.01
    =25,92 + 44,73 + 578,4 + 12,475 + 3,603
    =665,128

    So something seems to be fishy here...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stefan Payne View Post
    Well, it seems that they did some calculation mistakes.

    8x3,24 + 9*4,97 + 48*12.05 + 2,5*4.99 + 0,3*12.01
    =25,92 + 44,73 + 578,4 + 12,475 + 3,603
    =665,128

    So something seems to be fishy here...
    I did a spreadsheet with the numbers you provided and got the same results: 8x3.24 +
    9x4.97 + 48x12.05 + 2.5x4.99 + 0.3x12.01 = 25.92 + 44.73 + 578.4 + 12.475 + 3.603 = 665.128.
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