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    Quote Originally Posted by Orion View Post
    It's already getting slowly discontinued in Poland - SPC has released Supremo L2 and M2, based on a design copycatted from Great Wall's Corsair CS platform, but built by SAMA.Yes, but not Great Wall - it's a design copied from ATNG ATM G v1.7 built by a different OEM/factory. SilentiumPC themselves say it's "an OEM specialising in server PSUs", but don't tell which.
    You saw a picture or is that what SilentiumPC told you?

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    I've seen the insides of both.

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    Do you have some picture to share?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Orion View Post
    It's already getting slowly discontinued in Poland - SPC has released Supremo L2 and M2, based on a design copycatted from Great Wall's Corsair CS platform, but built by SAMA.
    They confirmed the fab we thought it was.

    Anyway, L2 is completely different market with lower efficiency and non-modular, and M2 is also lower efficiency with crap caps. Don't think these are direct competitors. The Enduro FM1 is on the market for just slightly over half a year, I have no information about phasing out. Most likely just a container got delayed.

    Quote Originally Posted by -The_Mask- View Post
    No you're right, he just describes it a bit strange.

    A PSU with 80PLUS Gold needs to be 87%, 90% and 87% efficient by 20, 50 and 100% load. If you would test a PSU like that on 230V the efficiency wil be a bit higher normally, especially on 50% and 100% load.

    That is also why the requirements of 80PLUS Gold 230V EU are higher with 90, 92 an 89% efficiency with 20, 50 and 100% load. Those efficiency numbers are the same as 80PLUS Platinum, but if this PSU had a universal input the efficiency would be more like 80PLUS Gold, because efficiency goes down on 115V.

    So saying that 80PLUS Gold 230V EU equals 80PLUS Platinum is just wrong, it's more like 80PLUS Gold 230V EU equals 80PLUS Gold.
    That's not true, the certification treshold here is completelly stupid nonsense and many manufacturers/brands agree on this. You won't make so high difference if you just take 115V unit and put it on a 230V grid. So Ecova did pretty stupid step when they just took one-step higher requirements and placed a "230V EU" sticker on it. That is why there are almost no units with high 230V certification on the market. Getting 80+ Gold 230 than means the unit is better than standard 80+ Gold, comparable even with Platinum. There is no problem getting 80+ EU basic/bronze as most of the cheap craps out there do 80+ Bronze/Silver. But getting anything over that is already very cost ineffective when the sticker appears to be actually worse over standard 115V 80+ (because ppl don't know the crap Ecova did). Especially when with increased efficiency the difference between running on 115 V and 230 V gets signifficantly lower - so brands/manufacturers would actually have to invest more to make the unit more effective than its 80+ Gold @115 V counterpart!

    That is why I directly state it equals to Platinum @115 V - because it does frellingly more than to Gold @115 V. Talk to Ecova to change that shit, than I can differentiate that properly.

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    No, 80 Plus Gold 230V EU does not equal Platinum. I've tested over 100 differnet PSu with both input voltages.

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    Might want to re-check.

    80 PLUS Platinum: 90%, 92%, 89%
    80 PLUS Gold 230V EU: 90%, 92%, 89%

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    Yes, the requirment is the same, but if you change input voltage to 230V all 115V PSU I've ever tested reache higher efficiency than under 115V conditions. In real life every true 80 Plus Gold 115V PSU will make more than 87% at full load.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Behemot View Post
    Might want to re-check.
    Yes you should.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Philipus II View Post
    Yes, the requirment is the same, but if you change input voltage to 230V all 115V PSU I've ever tested reache higher efficiency than under 115V conditions. In real life every true 80 Plus Gold 115V PSU will make more than 87% at full load.
    Yes and I am telling the difference wil not be high enough ot reach next efficiency level just by that in the whole tested spectrum, reliably. Just ask any manufacturer, they will tell you if you want 80+ Gold EU they will sell you their platinum platform, not gold Or at least gold with enhancements, but not stock.

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