need help with MSI GTX 260 installation

[gunjan5489]

Processor - Amd Phenom X3 8650
Motherboard - Asus-M3N78-EM
RAM - Gskill 2gb DDR2
GPU - MSI GTX 260 (216 cores)
PSU - Corsair VX 550
i want to know how to install MSI GTX 260
is there any bios setting that needs to be changed while attaching graphic card
to pcie

[Zero82z]

You shouldn't need to change anything. Just put the card into your system, connect the power cables from the PSU, boot up your PC, install the drivers for your operating system, and you should be good to go.

[allikat]

Unless you're currently using onboard video, then definitely no. Even if you are, it should detect the card in the slot and disable the onboard.

[mdk777]

it should detect the card in the slot and disable the onboard.

The BIOS will detect and set the PCIE as the primary.

However, if you want to save some watts, you need to disable the on board in the BIOS manually.:D

Otherwise, it just runs as back-up; just in case I guess.:rolleyes:(even though you can't run a monitor off it.)

[gunjan5489]

The BIOS will detect and set the PCIE as the primary.

However, if you want to save some watts, you need to disable the on board in the BIOS manually.:D

Otherwise, it just runs as back-up; just in case I guess.:rolleyes:(even though you can't run a monitor off it.)

how can i disable my onboard graphic card
btw whenever i m playing Mass Effect 2 and spiderman shattered dimension it runs for 5 minutes without any problem
and after that screen blacksout and game freezes for fews seconds and comes
back again for 2 min and same thing happens again and again.:wtf:

[mdk777]

how can i disable my onboard graphic card

Depends on the BIOS. With mine, you can make adjustments to the IGP, or disable it completely.

Some older boards do not have the option.

Regarding the freeze-ups, it sounds like an overheating issue. (graphics card)
What is your ambient?

Amount of fans in the case etc. ?

[walterm]

mY first thought is "only" 2 gb of ram is probably strangling CPU response time, this generation I believe worked best with more memory.
There was also an issue with the "B2" stepping version of this CPU which hopefully does not apply.
And just for lousy morale the Phenom X3 8650 (2.3 Mhz) runs on semi equal terms with an overclocked E4500 or stock E7200 for most gaming. It has strengths but reputed doesn't o'clock well either.
Try to borrow some memory to try.
OK.
Quick scan of comments on Asus M3N780 EM. The board was power intensive, without a heat sink on the mosfets.
OK 2
the Phenom X3 8650 rus hot and power intensive too.
Are you using the stock AMD cooler?
No case is mentioned either.
This could be a combination of poor cooling in your case exacerbated by the heat and air flow effects from the graphic card.
Sooo...
Please download CPUZ and Speed Fan [free] to monitor temperatures of CPU and GPU and fan rpm. You might try playing with the side off case and a desk fan blowing into case. This could confirm heat issues.
On no basis whatever, but with good intent:
1) determine if you have heat issues and where.
2) may need to add aftermarket cooler and/or case fans. Possibly cooler case (don't panic, you could catch a shell shocker or Good Friday sale/ (I caught an NZXT Asgard II case for $30 shipped)
3)there usually good heatsink coolers available for around $30, read lots of reviews carefully. Some of the best coolers from a few years ago are available used, sometimes very cheap especially if they need a fan. research fans, function, size, noise. Yate Loons are a beginning
4)might's well replace heat sink paste, see if it helps. no need to spend a lot. just look at reviews (some coolers,maybe most DO NOT come with best paste
5)there's no heat sink on the mosfets. Airflow may fix that (if it needs fixing).
I think Enzotech offers a copper heatsink for that board, maybe the MST-88 [88MM between mounting hole centers (perpendicular not diagonal), about $15.
6)easiest in my opinion, upgrade CPU to an Athlon II X3 435 for $70.

New CPU shrinks a core size, faster architecture, better graphic processing 2.9 Mhz and will seem faster and overclocks and may have a stable 4th core. You go from a 125 watt processor known to run hot to 95 watt that runs cool and will run well with the stock heatsink you have, processes memory more efficiently and is easily most cost effective processor you could choose.

I have built my castle in the air [hot air, possibly]

Your mission ! download monitoring software of choice, run games monitoring temperatures [ note software is notorious inaccurate in absolutes but close enough for this]
Open side, use fan, does this help.

If you need further help ask, then choose the solution easiest for you.. oh my, round and ..

Confused?

[gunjan5489]

sorry About
1)Ram ,i have 2 gb transcend @ 667Mhz and 2gb of GSKILL @ 800 mhz
total of 4gb
2)My cabinet is totally open, im using Amd normal heatsink and my normal cpu temp is 43 deg(speedfan)
fan speed -5500 rpm
but do you think that there may be problem with GTX 260
because i was able to play Assassin creed Brotherhood in full graphical effect with rearly any problem

[walterm]

Out of my depth here. I thought from your components list you were using two gb of memory.
On my system Speed Fan also gives GPU temperatures. Looks like time for me to leave this to wiser heads.
I am not familiar with the resource demands of one game over another.
Some function best on absolute CPU speed, Some on multiple cores.
Have you followed the BIOS advice?
Luck

[gunjan5489]

Out of my depth here. I thought from your components list you were using two gb of memory.
On my system Speed Fan also gives GPU temperatures. Looks like time for me to leave this to wiser heads.
I am not familiar with the resource demands of one game over another.
Some function best on absolute CPU speed, Some on multiple cores.
Have you followed the BIOS advice?
Luck

can you let me know how to change my Bios setting to disable onboard GPU
my graphic card temp is 70 deg when i play Mass effect 2 and im also using RIVATUNER for GPU fan speed, i cannot change my CPU because im low on finance ,any other suggestion would be helpful thanks for your time

[walterm]

I am not familiar with the manuals or information on the ASUS website, you should try there.
I've been sticking with Gigabyte boards as much as I can because I started with them.
My feeling the simpliest proceedure is just go slowly, follow help and menu options but make no changes until you are comfortable in BIOS.
i;M always afraid I;ll do something I shoul not.
So far I've been good enough are lucky.
Basically there ae about 20 commands that corresond to key strokes.
So far WHAT i REMEMBER most is using the "arrows" to navagate, enter to choose. and escape to leave.
When in doubt see what the arrows do, you should find help.
No changes take effect till you use the "save and leave option".
Relax, play to learn.

[gunjan5489]

I am not familiar with the manuals or information on the ASUS website, you should try there.
I've been sticking with Gigabyte boards as much as I can because I started with them.
My feeling the simpliest proceedure is just go slowly, follow help and menu options but make no changes until you are comfortable in BIOS.
i;M always afraid I;ll do something I shoul not.
So far I've been good enough are lucky.
Basically there ae about 20 commands that corresond to key strokes.
So far WHAT i REMEMBER most is using the "arrows" to navagate, enter to choose. and escape to leave.
When in doubt see what the arrows do, you should find help.
No changes take effect till you use the "save and leave option".
Relax, play to learn.
thanks buddy i will try to find answers from Asus websites

[walterm]

Alright, not seeing many replys here.
anandtech forms, hardware secrets forums are much larger web sites for this kind of question.

[gunjan5489]

Alright, not seeing many replys here.
anandtech forms, hardware secrets forums are much larger web sites for this kind of question.

yeah your right ,even techenclave forums helped me lot:@

[Tazz]

What question hasn't been answered?

You was told how to install the GTX260, you was also told you didn't have to worry about the on board GPU as the system should automatically pickup the GTX 260 once it sees it in the slot. Even if the on board GPU was left enabled, its not going to be utilized because you're going to have the cable connected to the GTX 260.

You've gotten suggestions on your freeze problem. It was suggested to check your cooling to see if you have an issue there, which it sounds as if you do. Cases are designed to move air from one place to the other. If you remove a side panel and leave it off (leaving the case completely open) it will alter the airflow in the case which could be for the worse.

[mdk777]

The problem is your description, investigation of the problem is too vague.
BSOD can be caused by drivers, viruses, hardware...really you are just describing having a computer.

Regarding your BIOS, it does not look like it has the capability. Your only option is to set the priority to IGP, PCI, or PCIE.

I mentioned that this might be a possibility. If you are too lazy to download your own manual, and read the Available BIOS settings: well then you have to expect people to ignore you.

Advice can only lead you on the path. Since we don't have access to your hardware, we can only make educated guesses. YOU need to fill in the blanks.

Good luck getting better responses at other sites with your attitude. :lol:

[gunjan5489]

What question hasn't been answered?

You was told how to install the GTX260, you was also told you didn't have to worry about the on board GPU as the system should automatically pickup the GTX 260 once it sees it in the slot. Even if the on board GPU was left enabled, its not going to be utilized because you're going to have the cable connected to the GTX 260.

You've gotten suggestions on your freeze problem. It was suggested to check your cooling to see if you have an issue there, which it sounds as if you do. Cases are designed to move air from one place to the other. If you remove a side panel and leave it off (leaving the case completely open) it will alter the airflow in the case which could be for the worse.

so now your suggesting me to close the panel of my cabinet
i have also applied new heat sink paste but no use ,
i didnt meant to hurt but i felt i was helped more from other forums

[gunjan5489]

The problem is your description, investigation of the problem is too vague.
BSOD can be caused by drivers, viruses, hardware...really you are just describing having a computer.

Regarding your BIOS, it does not look like it has the capability. Your only option is to set the priority to IGP, PCI, or PCIE.

I mentioned that this might be a possibility. If you are too lazy to download your own manual, and read the Available BIOS settings: well then you have to expect people to ignore you.

Advice can only lead you on the path. Since we don't have access to your hardware, we can only make educated guesses. YOU need to fill in the blanks.

Good luck getting better responses at other sites with your attitude. :lol:
i have done almost everything that you guys have told me to do ,in my bios
primay graphic adapter is set PCIE by default and there is no other PCIE setting in my BIOS ,i have give you all fill in the blanks and what else you you wanted :wall:

[mdk777]

in my bios
primay graphic adapter is set PCIE by default and there is no other PCIE setting in my BIOS

correct.

As I mentioned several posts ago, the ability to change is dependent on the details that your particular BIOS allows.
High end boards allow literally hundreds of memory settings. Basic boards allow maybe half a dozen.

Back to your OP:

Your computer freezes when playing specific games.
That sounds like a graphics problem, (unless it does it when when rendering or some other high CPU load operation)

Graphic cards freeze and eventual die for one reason, excess heat.

The possible causes of excess heat are numerous, and can be in any number of combinations and permutations.

1. Excessive OC, excessive voltage settings = eventual damage to VRM
2. High Ambient temp, poor case cooling. (build-up faster than dissipation)
3. dust build up on the cooling fins of the GPU cooler
4. bump/warp/dry out...heat sink looses contact with GPU (need new paste on GPU)

If you determine that the Card is not overheating in any way(nor has in the past causing permanent damage)

Then you need to look at your software.

1. download the latest Geforce Drivers?
2. What version of WINDOWS? latest updates and patches?

Then you need to look at the affect that software has on memory.

1. The larger the card, the more system memory is allocated to the bus and the VID card to system memory cache.
2. With the overhead of WIndows itself, this can reduce the amount available for the game. (have you optimized your windows set-up to limit the number of background programs, freeing the greatest amount of free memory?)
I'm not an expert on this issue, but I understand that some modern games just work a heck of a lot better with 4GB of memory.

Finally:

You have not mentioned if you are OC the CPU.
Since you do not have a black edition CPU, the OC has to be achieved by increasing the bus rather than the multiple.
In doing that, you also increase the HT BUS (The CPU to GPU is handled by this bus) How high you can go is determined by memory, the MB but most importantly, the CPU itself(AMD memory BUS has been on the CPU for some years now)\

IF you are OC, and IF you have gone too high, the HT bus might be stable until you are playing a game and it becomes overloaded (causing freeze of your system)

You have an X3. Have you unlocked the 4th core?

While some X3 were sold purely as a market filler, and could be unlocked without consequence; others were actually defective under testing.
Hence the worst core, was disabled for a reason.( by running 3 cores, the CPU was stable where it might not be when running 4)
If you are running 4 cores, does the game problem cease when you go back to the default settings?(3 cores)?

The above details are the blanks that need to be filled to optimize your system.
Optimizing windows memory for gaming is itself a topic that is quite extensive. (The number of default, verses really required start-up programs and running services)

See for couple hundred possible tweaks:

http://www.blackviper.com/2010/12/17/black-vipers-windows-7-service-pack-1-service-configurations/

With the price of memory coming down to 10$ GB, many people just find it easier to have 4GB than to fight WINDOWS.
(If you can afford to buy games at $40-50, than you can afford $20 for more memory)


AFTER looking at all of the above in some detail, I would then consider my PSU, or if my VID CARD itself had ceased to function.
Your OP seemed to ask about the installation and PSU requirements for your card.
The answer given was:

1. There is nothing required other than plug and play to instal your card
2. You have enough power to run that system.

All of the other that I have discussed above is more gaming/sytem tuning; not really the specialty of this group.

Good luck.

[gunjan5489]

guys wen i bought this graphic card hoping that i will be able to most of my favourites games ,then i was told that i need to change my PSU ,than i did that but im still there from where i began ,i never fedel with my CPU , bios setting or even overlocking.I never overclocked my system they r all at factory default setting

[mdk777]

OK,

Still no answers regarding OS.

This MB was issued in 2008.
Many things change in 3 years.

You are putting a newer graphics card into an older system.

You again did not answer any of my questions regarding drivers.

If I were you.

#1 .

Update your bios.
http://www.asus.com/Product.aspx?P_ID=amYCbidk7vhOQLWp

Most recent is dated 11/08/2010

This should resolve any reported bugs (I see some reports of freezing due to LAN connections=resolved in some previous BIOS releases, but you might as well instal the most recent.)

#2 Make sure you have installed the most recent geforce drivers.

http://www.nvidia.com/object/win7-winvista-32bit-266.58-whql-driver.html

Both of these options are free.

#3 Buy 2 more gig of memory = 32$

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820211066

If none of these work, see the extensive debugging guide above. :D

[gunjan5489]

all my drivers r upto
do you know any software which can test my system with full load
so that we can know wheres the problem

[mdk777]

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[gunjan5489]

Processor - Amd Phenom X3 8650
Motherboard - Asus-M3N78-EM
RAM - Gskill 2gb DDR2
GPU - MSI GTX 260 (216 cores)
PSU - Corsair VX 550
cooler -thermalright ultima 90 (90 mm fan)

now my cpu temperature is constant @ 34 deg with full load
but still im not able to play Mass Effect 2 and 3 demo even @ medium
i have read in some forum that my processor is slow and it might be creating bottleneck for my gtx 260
i have applied thermalright's stock thermal compound
should i overclock ?
please help