Ati R600

[Sir_ReeL]

Never seen this site before but it has a first if true...

http://level505.com/2006/12/30/the-full-ati-r600-test/1/ _ReeL

[templar_m1a1]

If those bench marks are true (ATI faster in Doom3 than Nvidia :eek:), I wonder what is MSRP and when will I be able to get it?

[Sir_ReeL]

I think the release date is supposed to be around Jan. 22. If I'm incorrect, someone will spank me. _ReeL

[templar_m1a1]

Well, happy New Year every one.

I had a feeling that something fishy was going on with those bench marks, and I am not the only one. Here is a link to Daily Tech for their opinion: http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=5524

I think I will wait until February / March after they release the card, so the "dust can settle" (including pricing)

[DvBoard]

Interesting. I will delay judgement till retails cards are released.

[Sir_ReeL]

Interesting. I will delay judgement till retails cards are released.

That's gotta be the best idea about ALL new tech. I've been an early adopter(adapter?), and it's always been to my dismay. The best deals in 'puterage has *always* been with the best of the last generation.

Maturity rules!! *Disclaimer* - I'm 51 y.o.

[Bbq]

Or just before a new generation.

[Sir_ReeL]

http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2007/01/02/amd_ati_r600_spec_leak/

[DvBoard]

That's gotta be the best idea about ALL new tech. I've been an early adopter(adapter?), and it's always been to my dismay. The best deals in 'puterage has *always* been with the best of the last generation.

Maturity rules!! *Disclaimer* - I'm 51 y.o.

I can't afford to be an early adopter. Plus is pisses me off if i pay $XXX for something and then it's half that price next week.

[Skott]

I'm not suprised the R600 is going to be a better card than the G80. ATI and nVidia constantly play leapfrog with their products. This is just ATI leapfrogging nVidia. nVidia will leapfrog ATI next go round. Its a never ending cycle luckily for us consumers. :)

I just hope the R600 is priced lower than the G80. I dont expect to be by much though if it does. I also expect Newegg and ZZF to price gouge first week or two too. They been doing it alot in the last year. :rant:

[burebista]

OMFG! What a monster (http://www.vr-zone.com/?i=4622)! :eek:
The power consumption of the card is huge at 270W for 12" version and 240W for 9.5" version.
Please somebody shoot me. :rant:

LE: More pictures (http://www.overclockers.com/articles1411/).
Somebody shoot me twice.

[Bipidri]

12'' ?? how long was the g80 ?
a monster is the right word, not very appealing, I like the transparency, beautiful looking heatsinks+pipes. but for that price couldn't hey at least sleeve the damn connector cables???

I see our 6pin PCI-e cables are still of use in the future :-D

with those 2 Crossfire pegs, imagine a quadruple energy consumption O_o
any speculated price tag yet ?

[Bbq]

Holy SHAT

an 8 pin AND a 6 pin

[Spectre]

Are we sure NVIDIA got 3DFX?

[Kab]

12'' ?? how long was the g80 ?
a monster is the right word, not very appealing, I like the transparency, beautiful looking heatsinks+pipes. but for that price couldn't hey at least sleeve the damn connector cables???

I see our 6pin PCI-e cables are still of use in the future :-D

with those 2 Crossfire pegs, imagine a quadruple energy consumption O_o
any speculated price tag yet ?
12" is the OEM being shipped in some Dell's. The retail is 9.5" IIRC and yes, still a monster.

Price is "said" to be around $500-600 and consumption is heavy. See why Jonny was reviewing them monster PSUs now?

Don't look back or you'll drop in the worm hole of futurama ;)

[Chilly]

From what I'm hearing those are pictures of the oem, NOT the retail, the watt difference seems to be from the fan, in terms of performance and the REAL heat-sink to be used it will probably be alot more pleasing to the ears. (the fan on the retail I am hearing seems to be 4-8 watts while the oem is 24, that alone makes the 250/270 difference.

[SKYMTL]

270W power consumption....I call complete BS on that one. That is above the current PCI-E specification.

[Kab]

There's a lot of revisions (A12 GDDR3, A13 GDDR4, A15? silicon) and the highest spec is "said" to be X2900XT with the 153.6GB/s memory bandwidth and 2.4GHz clock. The highest spec will have a 8 pin connector on top of the 6-pin connector for power and the main addition is the dual-slot air cooler (designed to dissipate 250W) and the large heatsink with 4 pipes. IIRC the highest spec is to be consuming 265W at full flow and the lowest 135 or 165W, I don't recall. The retail PCB is "said" to be 9.5" and the OEM is 12".

[flclisgreat]

yay, that thing won't even fit in like any current cases...wtf

[CAD4466HK]

Are we sure NVIDIA got 3DFX?

:lol:

[korby]

Well, that's just about PWNT! :D

I'm curoius how the 9" version looks. Oh, btw... from now on we measure video cards on inches, not by power. :D

[Spectre]

Well, that's just about PWNT! :D


Huh?

[korby]

I forgott to quote. :rant: I was refering to these two posts. :wall:

Are we sure NVIDIA got 3DFX?

:lol:

[CAD4466HK]

A so called release date:p

http://www.vr-zone.com/?i=4510

[burebista]

Some unofficial scores. R600 vs 8800GTX (http://forums.vr-zone.com/showthread.php?t=129035).
1900 points more than 8800GTX in 3dmark05. WOW! I'll buy two. No. Three.
Dammit DAAMIT. :rant:

[Kab]

Ye there was a bench that Inquirer carried out around early Jan I think, that put the R600 faced with some highest end ATI cards like the 1950 (crossfire) and a 8800 - and the benches with nearly every game showed the R600 (and yes the A12 GDDR3 version aswell) much ahead!!

G81 isn't far so who knows how that matches with the higher end R600s.

[CAD4466HK]

Some unofficial scores. R600 vs 8800GTX (http://forums.vr-zone.com/showthread.php?t=129035).
1900 points more than 8800GTX in 3dmark05. WOW! I'll buy two. No. Three.
Dammit DAAMIT. :rant:

That's with a 5GHZ+ C2E:rolleyes:

[reg_pfj]

That's with a 5GHZ+ C2E:rolleyes:

Was it? I'm not antagonizing, I really don't understand.

On the one hand, you're correct - it says c2 @ 5.3 or whatever near the first group of scores, but the last two sets say FX-55 all stock:

3DMark03 Pro v3.6.0 Final
AMD Athlon64 FX55 , First WHQL driver , all in stock 1024×768 noAA noAF

X2800XTX ————–43606
8800GTX—————-41264
X2800XT —————34623
8800GTS—————-32567
7950GX2 —————29257



http://img185.imageshack.us/img185/3660/r600benchiesrh5.th.jpg (http://img185.imageshack.us/my.php?image=r600benchiesrh5.jpg)

[CAD4466HK]

The first benchmarks were done with 3DM06 and the C2E;)
The rest was done with 3DM05 and 3DM03 and the FX-55:)

[burebista]

Inquirer (http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=37614) (yeah, I know...).
So, the R600XTX has a special OEM/SI design mostly for Apple, the retail versions won't come with water cooling, but rather advanced vapour chamber technology, and the board has 8/6-pin config but can be used with two 6-pin ones - in which case you'll lose the Overdrive feature and stay inside a 225W power envelope, just like Nvidia Geforce 8800GTS .

[burebista]

R600 delayed (http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/video/display/20070221023825.html).
Thanks God! Power plant PSU's can wait a couple of moths. :D

[CAD4466HK]

Just in time for the 8600GTS/GT to be unveiled:)

[SKYMTL]

Hope this doesn't push back the 89xx launch. I want Nvidia to put another gaping hole in ATI's armour by releasing their next series before ATI can even launch their first. :)

[flclisgreat]

why all the AMD hate?

[burebista]

Some news (http://techreport.com/onearticle.x/11918) about RV630.

[Chilly]

Some news (http://techreport.com/onearticle.x/11918) about RV630.

BORRING, wehere are hardcore, give me R600, G80, or give me DEATH*!!!!!

*Does not want to actually die, the statement above contains high levels of sarcasm.

[reg_pfj]

http://www.hardocp.com/image.html?image=MTE3MjgwNDc0N1FSUjhld2ZxdklfMV8yX 2wuanBn

This was kinda posted over in another thread in the PSU section, but it's a picture of a purported r600 crossfire setup. I can't really see anything that would indicate what kind of PSU was sloppily stuffed in there with those two beasts. Maybe some eagle-eyed guru forum member can tell. I'd kinda like to know what they're using to motivate those two fatties.

[MrTank]

The wiring, zip ties, and the two stickers on the side of the psu make it look like the Turbo-Cool 1KW-SR.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16817703007
But that is a guess at best.

Dan

[jonnyGURU]

It is. It's a Turbo-Cool 1kW. It's the only PSU AMD is pimping for use with R600 Crossfire and the dual FX72.

[Kab]

Some news (http://techreport.com/onearticle.x/11918) about RV630.Those are made mainly in India. Can tell by the code names ;)

Some real pics of the R600 (http://content.zdnet.com/2346-10741_22-57089.html).

CAD mentioned Nvidia...
The 8600 (G84) is targeted for the $200 market to compete with the X2600 (R630). The 8600 (GTS? GTX?) is bigger in size and was benched at 4500 points in 3Dmark06 - what you get with a X1900Pro/7800GT. So its pointless to get over the current 8800.

GeForce 8300/8500/8600/8900 were said to be delayed till Q3, so they wouldn't have directly competed with the R600, R610, R630 - and would fall short in all the technical performance figures too. However latest news (http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=37974) has it that the they will be launched 17/18th April.

GeForce 8600GTS is based on the G84 chip - ~$50-100 below the 8800GTS 320MB price.
8600GT - ~$140-170
8500 - ~$80-100
G86 will only come at the end of Q2, GeForce 8300 - ~$50

ALL do not perform anywhere near the 8800.

[CAD4466HK]

It is. It's a Turbo-Cool 1kW. It's the only PSU AMD is pimping for use with R600 Crossfire and the dual FX72.

Are you sure it's a TC 1kw?
The right side of the pictured PSU does not have the 4 slots like a 1kw TC has;)

[Kab]

Huh? :confused:

[flclisgreat]

is it me, or does it look like r600 has the same 4 hole mounting system as x1950's and x1900's. i hope so, means my maze4 would fit it

[CAD4466HK]

Huh? :confused:

The 4-sloted vent on the bottom right hand corner of the TC SR 1kw is not present on the PSU that [H] has posted;)

[jonnyGURU]

Flip it around. That's the wrong side of the PSU. Label goes down in the case.

[CAD4466HK]

Ahh, I see, said the little blind CAD :p
I should of known better then to "not' take the word of the GURU at face value :o
Forgive my lackful taste of judgement, my master :wall:

[Adamantine]

Those are made mainly in India. Can tell by the code names ;)

Some real pics of the R600 (http://content.zdnet.com/2346-10741_22-57089.html).

CAD mentioned Nvidia...
The 8600 (G84) is targeted for the $200 market to compete with the X2600 (R630). The 8600 (GTS? GTX?) is bigger in size and was benched at 4500 points in 3Dmark06 - what you get with a X1900Pro/7800GT. So its pointless to get over the current 8800.

GeForce 8300/8500/8600/8900 were said to be delayed till Q3, so they wouldn't have directly competed with the R600, R610, R630 - and would fall short in all the technical performance figures too. However latest news (http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=37974) has it that the they will be launched 17/18th April.

GeForce 8600GTS is based on the G84 chip - ~$50-100 below the 8800GTS 320MB price.
8600GT - ~$140-170
8500 - ~$80-100
G86 will only come at the end of Q2, GeForce 8300 - ~$50

ALL do not perform anywhere near the 8800.

Those pictures of the R600 show that there is only ONE version of the card, there are two diferent HSF's for the card. The OEM card itself is in fact ~9" long, when you go by the PCB length.

[Kab]

Those pictures of the R600 show that there is only ONE version of the card, there are two diferent HSF's for the card. The OEM card itself is in fact ~9" long, when you go by the PCB length.Its been mentioned before :p The pics are of the retail.

[templar_m1a1]

Probably old news:

Well looks like AMD + ATi = M.I.A., for R600, atleast for another month, or so.
http://www.tomshardware.com/2007/02/22/amd_pushes_r600_back_to_may/



Disregard this: SG1 kicks A's

[Kab]

Late March early April for OEM.... :confused:

http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/video/display/20070305132427.html

[flclisgreat]

its june, release is june

[Kab]

its june, release is june:confused: Any substantiation for that?

[flclisgreat]

http://www.eetimes.com/news/latest/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=197700269

[Kab]

http://www.eetimes.com/news/latest/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=197700269
That doesn't mention an R600 release date. ;)
The link posted before you stated June is the latest dated mentioning a release date or delay of. In Feb it was March, then to end of March, now hearing that suppliers will have it rolled out by the end of March so April is it with May for the highest end (one report version). The full range I've come across online is X2200, X2300, X2400, X2600, X2900 in different versions with the highest being the R600 X2900XTX2. :D According to VR-zone: http://www.vr-zone.com/?i=4572 .. R600 will be launched at CeBit, which I don't think is out of the question, but released mid April 2007, and the RV610 and RV630 will be available in May 2007. :rolleyes:

Drivers for R600 GPUs with WHQL certification will be available on March 14th and 15th is the first day of CeBit 2007 where top AMD partners will show off the GPUs: http://theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=37726

I think it maybe sooner rather than later.. just keep your eyes open for CeBit ;)

NOTE: Online its usually always rumours like this.

[flclisgreat]

EE Times: Latest News
AMD tips quad-core performance

Rick Merritt
EE Times
(02/28/2007 7:03 PM EST)

SAN FRANCISCO, Calif. — Advanced Micro Devices upcoming Barcelona processor will sport floating-point performance 42 percent higher than Intel's current top-of-the line CPU, the Xeon X5355 also known as Clovertown.

The news marked the first performance numbers AMD has provided for the chip that packs four Opteron cores on a single die and will be in production this fall. AMD also demonstrated working versions of its next-generation graphics chip the R600 to be released by the end of June.

read stuff before calling BS

[Kab]

FWIW read it again

"To be released BY THE END of June."

It means BEFORE the end of June (because they said it will be in Q2, so before Q3 starts), NOT "in June" like you said, and it gives NO date. We all know its to be in Q2 as thats mentioned in every report. :rolleyes: Look at the date of that report. The reports given here before you said that were NEWER, as in daily updates from March and there is not a SINGLE report mentioning them to be released in June and heck they're still fighting over whether it'll be in March/April. Some say the R600 MAYBE delayed till end of May the latest etc, but the R600 chipsets were all said to released at different times in Q2. The others are expected in April as near enough everyone now "expects" if basing on reports so far. What makes it worse is I've posted a link to all that before as a new thread , so I've seen it before.

Go figure.

[burebista]

I just hope that all these aren't true.

Radeon HD 2900XT needs 750W+ (http://www.fudzilla.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=791&Itemid=1) :crazy:
R600 draws 240W at default clock (http://www.fudzilla.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=788&Itemid=1) :wall:
R600XT cooler gets to degrees 100 C (http://www.fudzilla.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=803&Itemid=1) :cool:
Radeon HD 2900 XT noisy (http://www.fudzilla.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=800&Itemid=1) :mad:

And for what? For this?

Radeon HD 2900XT Crossfire score (http://www.fudzilla.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=783&Itemid=1)

Dammit, doomed DAAMIT! :rant:

[nicolasb]

A single R600 (XT) card is able to function comfortably with two 6-pin PCIe power connectors so long as you don't want to overclock it. That means that the absolute maximum instantaneous peak power consumption must always be comfortably less than 225W, because 225W is the maximum power that can be drawn through two 6-pin connectors and the PCIe slot. A figure of 200W was mentioned at the last big AMD press conference - that strikes me as quite a plausible sutained power-usage figure. A figure of 240W cannot be correct.

It's generally not a good idea to pay too much attention to FUDzilla - the site is well named.

[jonnyGURU]

It's generally not a good idea to pay too much attention to FUDzilla - the site is well named.

I agree. The site is good, but certainly does have an agenda. :D

[SKYMTL]

Anyone else see something odd with this?

LINK (http://www.fudzilla.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=810&Itemid=1)

2X 3-pin PCI-E connectors????
2X 4-pin PCI-E connectors????

Coupled with the shoddy grammar in an "official" AMD document and his past record (Rydermark anyone?) I am inclined to say those pictures are a fake....

[Super Nade]

Yeah, looks like BS to me as well (considering the source). I mean, these were the guys who said TCCD RAM will become a collectors item in a month...but we all know how that went.

[Kab]

Ignore all the BS online. You'll go nuts reading it, I swear. :p
Just wait for the official trustworthy reviews, AFAIK 12th/13th May there will be one or two out.

I may post stuff from there, but heck I believe none of it. I ask those who have the cards instead or 2 AMD worker mates I grew up with.

Please stay away from any site HIT attractors at such moments. You know, come to my site, more hits, more cash, more fame>>> i.e. ex-Inq "Graphics Editor" Fuad ;)

750W is not pulled for one HD2900XT with a C2D, 2GB RAM, a HDD, an optical (etc).

And how much the cards can effectively draw in a desktop system, NO one knows, not even AMD PR yet. Why? Because the software and drivers are not even available yet that maximize performance on those cards. But their engineers do have a much better idea than someone without a card who doesn't knows how to push it.

Remember the biggest problem they have is drivers ATM.

[Kab]

Some guys with the cards;
http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showpost.php?p=9247744&postcount=18
http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwe.pcinlife.com%2Fviewthr ead.php%3Ftid%3D759069%26page%3D2%26fromuid%3D1674 61%23pid14366626&langpair=zh%7Cen&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&prev=%2Flanguage_tools
http://www.rage3d.com/board/showpost.php?p=1334923248&postcount=338
http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showpost.php?p=9247924&postcount=27

:D

[nicolasb]

2X 3-pin PCI-E connectors????
2X 4-pin PCI-E connectors????No, it's two 2x3-pin and two 2x4-pin.

2x3-pin = 6-pin.
2x4-pin = 8-pin.

:)

In case anyone is still worried by the 750W thing, even FUDzilla is now reporting that a single-R600 system will run very comfortably with a 500W Silverstone Element PSU:

http://www.fudzilla.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=830&Itemid=1