Corsair HX650W vs Antec Truepower New TP-650

[Breiker]

Hi,
I can't decide between this two. I'm able to buy Corsair for 398.61PLN (102.55 €, 140.39 $) and Antec for 437.74PLN (112.62 €, 154.17 $).
Antec has newer platform and from what I've read it's better performance than Corsair.
Corsair has better cable managment and 7-year warranty vs Antec's 5-year.
Both are made by Seasonic.

Is Antec's likely better performance woth spending additional money? If there isn't much difference between them I'd probably buy Corsair because of price and warranty.

Thx in advance

[Lenny_Nero]

I have got a few HX620's that have been running 24/7 since I got them which was just after they came out and I have yet to hear them or feel any heat output. They seem to be able to run anything that I give them, and happy doing so.

Given any set of PSU's that has a corsair in the list, that is what I would get every time.
I dont know much about newer antec's, but the older ones were not much cop, but if they now have Seasonic doing the real work they have started to do something right and moving in a better direction.

Without doing any reading up on the antec I would get the Corsair all day long.

[Zero82z]

In that situation I'd probably go for the Corsair.

[Hondacity]

why is there no seasonic x650? :D

[Breiker]

why is there no seasonic x650? :D

Seasonic x-650 costs 599.00PLN (154.1 €, 210.97$). I just think it's too much. I can't find it cheaper anywhere.

[mockingbird]

Go for the Corsair and ONLY the Corsair.

[Proximon]

I don't think it's so clear cut. The HX650 is an older but upgraded design where the TP-650 is newer.

The TP is rated for 54 amps on the 12V, where the Corsair is 52.

We don't have any good testing done yet on the Antec, but I would bet is has lower ripple and is slightly more efficient.

[mockingbird]

Yea but who knows about the caps inside the Antec. The Corsair higher watt models and the 450VX always use all Japanese caps.

[Proximon]

True, the best we have on that so far is the TP-750 reviews.
http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/article/766
http://www.jonnyguru.com/modules.php?name=NDReviews&op=Story&reid=140

[mockingbird]

TP750 looks like a solid unit I must say.

[Zero82z]

Yea but who knows about the caps inside the Antec. The Corsair higher watt models and the 450VX always use all Japanese caps.
Antec most likely wouldn't use anything worse than Teapos in the Truepower New PSUs (if even), and that would be perfectly fine.

[mockingbird]

worse than Teapos

"Worse" than teapos? The only thing worse than Teapos I can think of right now in a PSU are Fujjyu or Suscon. But I've had this argument before with people, and people have argues over Teapos in PSUs at badcaps forum.

It seems some batches of Teapo are better than others. But I like to steer clear of them completely.

[Lemmy]

You have an obsession with the caps.
First of all, Teapo are not that bad.
Second, the TPN 750W version has Nippon-Chemicon caps and the Antec website states Japanese brand capacitors on the entire TPN line.

[Zero82z]

"Worse" than teapos? The only thing worse than Teapos I can think of right now in a PSU are Fujjyu or Suscon. But I've had this argument before with people, and people have argues over Teapos in PSUs at badcaps forum.

It seems some batches of Teapo are better than others. But I like to steer clear of them completely.
Show me the most recent computer PSU that has had issues due to Teapo caps.

[deimos3428]

Both are good; go for the cheaper one.

[mockingbird]

You have an obsession with the caps.
First of all, Teapo are not that bad.
Second, the TPN 750W version has Nippon-Chemicon caps and the Antec website states Japanese brand capacitors on the entire TPN line.

I'll believe it when I see it. PSU manufacturers have been known to lie about this. Another tactic they use is send reviewers units with great caps and then mass manufacture dud units with cheap caps once public interest is gained. They'll do anything for a quick dollar. Yes, the TP-750 looked pretty solid, and I posted that on the previous page. But the majority of Antec PSUs do not use exclusively reliable caps. And when they do, it is the exception and not the rule, especially for their lower end models.

Their strategy is simple. Sell people PSUs that last, and they won't stay in business for very long. Small operations need lots of business to stay afloat, not good business. Corsair is a memory manufacturer. They have a sturdy backbone and do not depend exclusively on their PSU division. Their units consistently have good caps, and that's why I recommended them.

Show me the most recent computer PSU that has had issues due to Teapo caps.

I have MANY FSP units here of different models that have failed Teapos. I'm in the process of recapping them. I've got older 20 pin ATX units as well as older MATX units and brand new 24-pin (FSP 350-PN2-B) that have failed. I've since replaced them with 350-THN units which have OST caps (Not that OST is any better), and hopefully they will last longer.

[mockingbird]

...also why am I so hard on PSU manufacturers for using cheap caps...

Caps cost pennies for the lower uF ratings (especially when purchased in bulk).

For these PSU MFGs to build well designed units, charge a pretty penny for them, and then place junk capacitors in them to save a couple of dollars (If even that) is intentional sabotage. They want these units to fail in a year or two.

[Zero82z]

I have MANY FSP units here of different models that have failed Teapos. I'm in the process of recapping them. I've got older 20 pin ATX units as well as older MATX units and brand new 24-pin (FSP 350-PN2-B) that have failed. I've since replaced them with 350-THN units which have OST caps (Not that OST is any better), and hopefully they will last longer.
That doesn't answer my question. For all you know, those FSP units could be using a 10-year-old platform.

[Lemmy]

For the TPN-750 Antec states that it uses japanese brand capacitor and IT DOES. See for yourself (http://www.jonnyguru.com/modules.php?name=NDReviews&op=Story3&reid=140)
None of Antec's current line has any cap-related issues. None of the Enhance and Seasonic units that use Teapo have any issues. Has it ever ocurred to you that FSP might not be that reliable?

Give it a rest with the caps, will ya.

[mockingbird]

For the TPN-750 Antec states that it uses japanese brand capacitor and IT DOES. See for yourself (http://www.jonnyguru.com/modules.php?name=NDReviews&op=Story3&reid=140)
None of Antec's current line has any cap-related issues. None of the Enhance and Seasonic units that use Teapo have any issues. Has it ever ocurred to you that FSP might not be that reliable?

Give it a rest with the caps, will ya.

Yes I know, the TP-750 uses good caps (Well at least the review unit). The OP asked about the TP-650.

[Oklahoma Wolf]

Anybody remember the Apevia 900W I reviewed?

http://www.jonnyguru.com/modules.php?name=NDReviews&op=Story&reid=92

All good caps. The fact of the matter is, capacitors are only one facet of the unit's design. You can have good caps in a poor design and it will let the magic smoke out, and bad caps in a good design last forever. I have a 10 year old CWT full of Fuhjyyu caps sitting right behind me that still operates in spec on all rails.

I'll believe it when I see it. PSU manufacturers have been known to lie about this.

Antec isn't stupid. They know they were in trouble with the whole Fuhjyyu debacle. You really think they're going to start pulling a bait and switch like this now that there are people out there that are easily able to catch them at it? That's not very likely. Especially when they aren't trying to do it with the CP series with a form factor they want to become a standard.

It'd be nice if those CP units had premium caps, but I can see why they didn't. Creating a new form factor standard is an uphill and expensive battle.

[mockingbird]

I have a 10 year old CWT full of Fuhjyyu caps sitting right behind me that still operates in spec on all rails.

Desolder them and test their ESR. Make sure your cockroaches don't get burned by the soldering gun. :D

[Makalu]

measure the loads and temps on those 25C rated FSP's you buy and get ready for the OST's to fail sooner than the Teapo's

[mockingbird]

We'll see. So far I've had better luck with OST caps in FSPs as opposed to Teapo. In motherboards I would have to give the edge to Teapo. OSTs are a disaster in motherboards. Almost every failed Asus board I have here has OSTs in the mix.

[Travis]

TP-650's platform is more futureproof, but who knows if motherboards in the future (especially from GigaBit) will have compatibility issues (rise time, PS-ON, .etc) with today's power supplies?

[simontay1984]

What's this new Antec form factor you mention. Whats the difference to the standard specs and are there potentially some advantages/disadvantages to using it over the standard ATX form factor?

[Stefan Payne]

It's bigger, has a 120mm fan blowing through it, so that's the main advantage.
So the cooling is more efficient and less noisy.

Of course, there is more room fot the actual PSU...

[deimos3428]

disadvantages to using it over the standard ATX form factor?The main disadvantage is that there are only three cases and one PSU that use the CPX form factor -- and they're all made by Antec. (There might be a handful more by now...I haven't checked.) Until it becomes an industry-recognized standard, it isn't a very flexible option.

[Zero82z]

and one PSU
Two.