PC Power and Cooling, what's up? [Archive]

shinji2k

10-25-2009, 01:05 PM

It's come to my attention that PC Power PSUs are nearly OOS everywhere. There's a few models available here and there like the 370W and 470 Silencers and the 1200W Turbo-cool, but all the popular models are pretty much gone. Is OCZ killing them off? I had heard Win-Tact hasn't made any Turbo-cools for them in a while, but it's odd for the Seasonic stuff to be MIA as well especially since the 910W isn't that old. Anybody hear any juicy rumors?

Travis

10-25-2009, 01:18 PM

Maybe OCZ isn't interested in a rebadged Seasonic which is made expensive but sold cheap.

garegin

10-25-2009, 02:21 PM

i will personally stab ocz if they kill the most non-compromising psu company. especially since ocz's user base are pimple faced teens who never heard of sifra or fsp epsilon.

Zero82z

10-25-2009, 02:37 PM

i will personally stab ocz if they kill the most non-compromising psu company.
PCP&C is the most non-comprimising PSU company? Last time I checked, they were busy comprimising silence and modularity because of silly marketing points.

Smirnoff

10-25-2009, 02:46 PM

Same thing here in Norway. PCP&C units are pretty much gone from every e-tailer there is, except for the odd Silencer 610W available at a coupla places.

Oklahoma Wolf

10-25-2009, 02:49 PM

i will personally stab ocz if they kill the most non-compromising psu company.

Don't worry - they can't touch Zippy :p

Hondacity

10-25-2009, 02:54 PM

oh noh...ocz...LOL.................fatality? lol

370forlife

10-25-2009, 03:12 PM

oh noh...ocz...LOL.................fatality? lol

dang, you beat me to it :lol:

reminds me of that compwiz guy on the newegg forums that suggests OCZ to every person needing a power supply :wall:

(well, at least he's not like a couple people I now suggesting logisys and allied)

mdk777

10-25-2009, 03:23 PM

speaking of OCZ,

Anyone know anything about the 550 Z?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817341037

Good price point for a 550 Silver rated, if its not total crap?:D

garegin

10-25-2009, 03:54 PM

Don't worry - they can't touch Zippy :p

you dont understand. pcpc was the veteran's psu. the rusty, trusty, bulldog. ocz has no pedegree, no class.
zippy isnt sold in major places, so that doesnt count. plus its more noisy.

370forlife

10-25-2009, 03:57 PM

PC Power and Cooling maybe was years ago, not any more. More of embarrassing themselves with all this FUD they spew out. Too bad because most of their units were good but lacking desirable things like modularity...and large fans.

garegin

10-25-2009, 04:05 PM

many forums stickies still have the modular = bad motto. so dont be so tough on them.

Oklahoma Wolf

10-25-2009, 04:06 PM

many forums stickies still have the modular = bad motto.

Where do you suppose they got it from?

garegin

10-25-2009, 04:14 PM

in pcmech's case it was junk ultra PSUs that caused a lot of uproar. this was years before PCPC's FUD

HOOfan_1

10-25-2009, 04:34 PM

Someone told me a contact he has within the company told him they either pulled or stopped the pipeline because they have a new line of PSUs coming out in November.

grain of salt.

many forums stickies still have the modular = bad motto. so dont be so tough on them.

The difference is, that many forum stickies are done by ignorant individuals who have no way to test the theories they are espousing. PC P&C has the money and the equipment to test their hypotheses.

All one needs to do is glance at the review of the fully modular Seasonic X lineup at HardOCP, jonnyguru.com or Hardwaresecrets and it is obvious their efficiency and voltage regulation are not hindered enough by modular connectors to keep them from being near the top of the heap.

370forlife

10-25-2009, 04:39 PM

in pcmech's case it was junk ultra PSUs that caused a lot of uproar. this was years before PCPC's FUD

One hit-and-miss company's bad engineering should not apply to all the industry.

garegin

10-25-2009, 04:46 PM

the problem is that many of these people are DOS-loving cranks

MrWicked1968

10-25-2009, 05:37 PM

you dont understand. pcpc was the veteran's psu. the rusty, trusty, bulldog. ocz has no pedegree, no class.
zippy isnt sold in major places, so that doesnt count. plus its more noisy.

defending PC P&C by saying another PSU is more noisy is one of the more ironic things I've ever read. I'm not saying it's not true, but Zippy doesn't spend a lot of money marketing PSU's at the enthusiast crowd, nor do they market a line called "Silencer".

Zero82z

10-25-2009, 06:10 PM

the problem is that many of these people are DOS-loving cranks
So your argument is that because many forums have stickies that say the same thing as PCP&C's FUD (even though they were written by extremely ignorant people), those claims are somehow valid?

RagingDragon

10-25-2009, 06:48 PM

All one needs to do is glance at the review of the fully modular Seasonic X lineup at HardOCP, jonnyguru.com or Hardwaresecrets and it is obvious their efficiency and voltage regulation are not hindered enough by modular connectors to keep them from being near the top of the heap.

Not only are the Seasonic X series top notch, they out perform most (all?) PCP&C units. The Antec Signatures, Antec CP850, Corsair HX750 and HX850 are also modular and equal or exceed the performance of anything from PCP&C (though I guess the Turbocools are arguablely more durable than any other listed units).

One hit-and-miss company's bad engineering should not apply to all the industry.

Mostly miss. The X3's were pretty decent, but otherwise I can't recall anything good from Ultra...

Super Nade

10-25-2009, 07:09 PM

I don't think OCZ are doing too well financially. The DRAM market is no longer the cash cow. It seems that all their eggs are in the SSD basket. The non-server power supply market seems awash with many companies with good products, a tough market to survive. I won't be surprised if the PCP brand name is reserved for the server segment alone.

Also, the cash dilemma is not limited to OCZ alone (although they may be the most visible company struggling a bit). Anybody heard anything about Mushkin lately?

garegin

10-25-2009, 07:46 PM

it seems to me that small companies are becoming pointless. mushkin, jetway, soyo, leadtek. all dodo

370forlife

10-25-2009, 08:28 PM

On the other hand, smaller crappy companies like solytech, youngyear, leadman, and keerda keep surviving.

garegin

10-25-2009, 09:10 PM

its because a vast majority of shops put them in builds they make. our shop repairs computers and i seldom get any custom builds with FSPs or antecs. when i say seldom, i mean its been less than ten times.

davidhammock200

10-26-2009, 12:30 PM

I believe that we will soon see at least 2-new lines of PSU's from PC P&C based on more profitable platforms. The "lower line" consumer units will either be exclusively modular or at least most models will have a modular option & come with (for them) quiet fans.:)

Oklahoma Wolf

10-26-2009, 01:54 PM

I've been not so subtly hinting that they should pick up the modular big fanned Win-Tact 1kW for some time... hoping that's what the future holds.

Zero82z

10-26-2009, 02:22 PM

HOOfan_1

10-26-2009, 04:12 PM

That sounds more like wishful thinking than something that could actually happen ;).

they would certainly have to post a retraction about all their "power supply myths"

or knowing them...they will just act as if that page never existed

370forlife

10-26-2009, 04:29 PM

They will just make a page about how modular connectors actually make the voltages better somehow.

And fanboys everywhere will accept it as fact and also act as if PC P&C never said modular was worse.

davidhammock200

10-26-2009, 05:36 PM

That sounds more like wishful thinking than something that could actually happen ;).We don't have long to wait, I was told Halloween, just in time for the holidays was the plan.

mdk777

10-26-2009, 07:40 PM

hey will just make a page about how modular connectors actually make the voltages better somehow.

And fanboys everywhere will accept it as fact and also act as if PC P&C never said modular was worse.
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Well, if I was in the business, I would design a modified locking/attachment mechanism. One that would allow me to circumvent previous patents, and claim superior conduction/contact surface area. Notice I said claim. It just has to be a very little bit better, and just a little bit more locking. Then you kill two birds with one stone: the competitive patents, and the legacy aversion to the connectors. Should be fairly easy to do. I don't know why it hasn't been done already?:)

I'll give you and example: SATA connectors were horrible when they first came out. You put any sideways force, and the head broke. Then came two sided, and then locking. They are pretty robust now.

Apple has their magnetic power connection. If people will buy that, they will buy anything...

Super Nade

10-26-2009, 07:48 PM

Is Wintact now owned by OCZ or do they have a stake in it?

Redbeard

10-26-2009, 08:49 PM

Apple has their magnetic power connection. If people will buy that, they will buy anything...

To be fair, the magnetic power connector on the macbooks is pretty awesome. It snaps right in place, and if somebody trips over the cord, it just pulls out easily without even jerking the laptop away from the hand at all. Quite different from my Dell laptop with its clunky power adapter, thick cable, and ugly, crude connector.

I'll bet it also costs quite a bit more.

That's the issue with creating new modular connectors - not much you can do to get around the patent, but there are better connectors out there from a resistance and functionality side, they just cost a huge amount more, and you really have to ask how many more you'll sell with the new connector.

Zero82z

10-27-2009, 02:23 AM

Is Wintact now owned by OCZ or do they have a stake in it?
I don't think there's any connection between the two. In fact, Win-tact hasn't actually manufactured any PSUs for PCP&C for a while now (they had just been selling old Turbo-cool stock).

SKYMTL

10-27-2009, 07:37 PM

I've been not so subtly hinting that they should pick up the modular big fanned Win-Tact 1kW for some time... hoping that's what the future holds.

:beer:

;)

Super Nade

10-28-2009, 04:41 PM

I don't think there's any connection between the two. In fact, Win-tact hasn't actually manufactured any PSUs for PCP&C for a while now (they had just been selling old Turbo-cool stock).

AFAIK, PCP had a stake in WinTact. I could be wrong, but I don't know what the current status is.