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TridenT_Boy3555
12-06-2006, 01:31 AM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E16817181109
Any good for this setup?
8800GTS, E6600(No OC), 2x1GB of DDR2 533, 1 250GB HDD, 1 CD/DVD drive, and...maybe a few lights and dazzles.

CAD4466HK
12-06-2006, 04:21 AM
From what I can make out on the UL E175472 is OEM Fore Point Fortex/focus
Unless I'm wrong:confused: I know nothing about them, so

Either way, I'm done here
some one else can play with you

MrWicked1968
12-06-2006, 04:41 AM
why start a new merry go round, trident?

why are you even considering building that system if you aren't willing to power it with a GOOD power supply?

650w Xclio Greatpower (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16817189008)

650w Seasonic S12 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16817151028)

or the, God forbid you actually buy one, Antec 650w Trio, are the MINIMUM PSU's for you to be considering if you have ANY plans on going SLI.

if you're not planning on SLI, then you can probably use that Just PC POS, but for the same money you can get an ST50EF and know for sure you have a good unit.

Oklahoma Wolf
12-06-2006, 09:52 AM
Fore Point is Superflower - not too bad, however that unit has a very high 5v rail. With an 8800 to power, I think I'd look for something else. The XClio and Seasonic would do well, as would many units over 500W from Silverstone.

GilmourD
12-06-2006, 12:10 PM
Like I suggested in the other thread, check out a Silverstone. If you're buying all that for the rest of the system, don't cheap out on the PSU. IF you want to keep it a little less expensive, try this one.

http://deadeyedata.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=7_33&products_id=95

You might even be able to squeeze by with this.

http://deadeyedata.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=7_33&products_id=96

Whatever you do, don't go cheap. Why buy twice and spend more money when you can just buy it right the first time?

GilmourD
12-06-2006, 12:12 PM
Fore Point is Superflower - not too bad, however that unit has a very high 5v rail. With an 8800 to power, I think I'd look for something else. The XClio and Seasonic would do well, as would many units over 500W from Silverstone.

Over 500W or just at 500W? Trident, read Jonny's review of the Silverstone ST50EF-Plus. It made me buy one. :)

Jon Gerow
12-06-2006, 12:14 PM
Shall I merge this thread with the other one?

GilmourD
12-06-2006, 12:22 PM
Shall I merge this thread with the other one?

Probably. :)

Spectre
12-06-2006, 02:55 PM
Fore Point is Superflower - not too bad

Indeed.

TridenT_Boy3555
12-06-2006, 08:15 PM
If you read the first post I asked if it could power just that setup.

Bbq
12-06-2006, 08:43 PM
38a combined on the +12v.. It should do it, but i'd look elsewhere first.

TridenT_Boy3555
12-06-2006, 09:28 PM
Wtf...Why look else where? I am so confused.

Spectre
12-06-2006, 09:29 PM
Wtf...Why look else where? I am so confused.

Because at that price point there may be better PSU's available.

TridenT_Boy3555
12-06-2006, 09:43 PM
Your kidding right? Every other PSU they list is 100$+

Spectre
12-06-2006, 09:50 PM
Your kidding right? Every other PSU they list is 100$+

I don't have a sense of humour that i am aware of.

Spectre
12-06-2006, 09:54 PM
http://www.ewiz.com/detail.php?name=PS-EN0555

GilmourD
12-06-2006, 11:21 PM
http://www.ewiz.com/detail.php?name=PS-EN0555

Or the one I just bought based on Jonny's rave review. Mine should arrive tomorrow.

http://deadeyedata.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=7_33&products_id=93

Enter "JONNYGURU" as a coupon and get another 8% off. :)

ParticularistEleven
12-07-2006, 01:33 AM
Yeah I think I'm going to get that PSU too. It has glowing reviews everywhere. Too bad they don't have a higher model element series PSU with a little more output.

And Trident, are you even listening to any of the advice you're getting? People here are trying to tell you to stay away from the no-name brands and to buy a quality unit from a trusted maker, yet you just ignore them. Seems like you're just waiting for that one guy to say "yes" to you so you can point the finger at them when your system fails on you.

There's a new thread here (http://www.jonnyguru.com/forums/showthread.php?t=571) that lists some quality budget PSUs. Might want to check some of those out, as they definitely should be in your price range.

MrWicked1968
12-07-2006, 02:52 AM
Your kidding right? Every other PSU they list is 100$+

$450 for a video card, $250 for watercooling, $250 motherboard, and a $200 Conroe.

and you still want to go cheap for your PSU. :rant: :rant: :rant: :rant:

:wall: :crazy: :wall: :crazy: :wall: :crazy:

GilmourD
12-07-2006, 10:46 AM
$450 for a video card, $250 for watercooling, $250 motherboard, and a $200 Conroe.

and you still want to go cheap for your PSU. :rant: :rant: :rant: :rant:

:wall: :crazy: :wall: :crazy:

That's like buying an alcohol fueled dragster and running it down the track on regular gas. :crazy:

Mantralord
12-07-2006, 10:52 AM
I honestly don't think the PSU is that cheap. This is crappy consumer-level hardware we're talking about, not some super US military-grade server. Superflower should be fine for his purposes.

GilmourD
12-07-2006, 11:10 AM
I honestly don't think the PSU is that cheap. This is crappy consumer-level hardware we're talking about, not some super US military-grade server. Superflower should be fine for his purposes.

Um... I don't think that a "super US military-grade server" (whatever that is) would use ANY of the power supplies we're talking about. I mean... HAL9000 was nuclear powered, if I remember correctly.:D

Anyway... The problem is that the new new G80 GPUs draw a decent amount of current. Most of us here have seen the cheap PSUs bite the dust with LESS current draw on them than what a G80 demands. Anybody who's built a system with a DEER PSU or even some of the lower end Antecs (yes, I said Antec) knows what I'm talking about. Hell, I've currently got what's supposed to be a decent 450W CoolerMaster (which I got cheap) that's sucking wind on an OC'd Venice 3300+ and a 6600GT w/ two hard drives, a single optical drive. and 5 fans. That's why I've ordered a new PSU and I'm suggesting that the OP doesn't get something cheap.

Besides that, he was talking about going SLI in another post. SLI G80 GPUs probably pull more current than a "super US military-grade server." :lol:

Mantralord
12-07-2006, 12:01 PM
Well, this is the Internet so why even bother with logic right

Spectre
12-07-2006, 12:02 PM
I honestly don't think the PSU is that cheap. This is crappy consumer-level hardware we're talking about, not some super US military-grade server. Superflower should be fine for his purposes.

I generally like SuperFlower units but at that price point the Enhance is a better unit.

GilmourD
12-07-2006, 12:35 PM
Well, this is the Internet so why even bother with logic right

I thought I hit some logical points. Let me break it down for you into some logical statements for you. "Yes" means stable performance and "No" means... Well, you should know what "No" means.

(G80 GPU) + (PSU that doesn't supply rated power at operating temperature with high ripple and voltage drop/fluctuation) = (No)

(G80 GPU) + (PSU that supplies rated power at operating temperature with a minimum of ripple, low ripple, and stable voltage) = (Yes)

I'm not saying that he should go out and buy a PCP&C PSU that supplies 1KW, but if he's paying hundreds and hundreds of dollars for top-rated parts, he shouldn't feed it crappy power.

Mantralord
12-07-2006, 12:59 PM
Well the Superflower isn't really crappy power. Sure, it doesn't crossload well but they're still decent quality. For the price, I would get something known to be "better," but it's not going to set his PC on fire or anything. For the average user with average hardware, it's just fine. I'm not advocating its usage in SLI, given that I believe in using proven quality components in a high-heat power situation like that, but I wouldn't be surprised if it handled it well.

I will retract my statements about Superflower, however, if they are known to have low temp caps in them. What I don't like is how some of us generally think that only two or three brands of PSUs are worth using and the rest are trash. It really is an unfair generalization. This is a complex issue, since I do realize that even just the trusted brands have all niche markets and budget levels accounted for, and thus, there would be no reason in purchasing a slightly lesser quality, non-"Tier X" Super Jonnyguru-recommended unit.

Sorry for getting a little nasty there, I have a temper. An Internet temper. :crazy:

GilmourD
12-07-2006, 01:20 PM
Well the Superflower isn't really crappy power. Sure, it doesn't crossload well but they're still decent quality. For the price, I would get something known to be "better," but it's not going to set his PC on fire or anything. For the average user with average hardware, it's just fine. I'm not advocating its usage in SLI, given that I believe in using proven quality components in a high-heat power situation like that, but I wouldn't be surprised if it handled it well.

I will retract my statements about Superflower, however, if they are known to have low temp caps in them. What I don't like is how some of us generally think that only two or three brands of PSUs are worth using and the rest are trash. It really is an unfair generalization. This is a complex issue, since I do realize that even just the trusted brands have all niche markets and budget levels accounted for, and thus, there would be no reason in purchasing a slightly lesser quality, non-"Tier X" Super Jonnyguru-recommended unit.

Sorry for getting a little nasty there, I have a temper. An Internet temper. :crazy:

I don't think anybody said it was going to set his system on fire. LOL It's just that he'll have headaches on down the line wondering why sometimes his system won't power up on warm days or if it randomly restarts. One problem that I'm having with a PSU that doesn't deliver at full operating temperature is that my memory won't OC. He could also potentially have video artifacting due to the fact that the G80 GPUs pull down so much current.

If there's anything I learned from this site it's that there are more than two or three brands of PSU. I wouldn't have even thought about ordering the Silverstone ST50EF-Plus that I did if it weren't for Jonny's review. I'd honestly never even heard of Enhance or Etasis before, either. I don't think that anybody's limiting their recommendations based on brand loyalty, but rather to what the OP has and what will work well with it.

It's all good. :) Sometimes words printed on a screen seem a little harsher than the would be if they were spoken.

TridenT_Boy3555
12-07-2006, 07:54 PM
I have a budget... 1400$ and I cannot get a nice PSU w/ everything else under 400$. I don't have Liquid cooling or anything anyways. Going to use fans but have them be silent and no lights. Anyways, the thing is rated at 38A and even if it runs at only 30A it still is enough.

Jon Gerow
12-07-2006, 08:15 PM
How about instead of the 8800GTS you get a 7950GX2 or a smaller hard drive or a different brand RAM?

Have you shopped your parts for the lowest price or are you just buying everything from Newegg by default?

TridenT_Boy3555
12-07-2006, 09:09 PM
Shopped everywhere, newegg ends up having the lowest prices. 8800GTS + 680i is only 670. Can't find it cheaper.

Jon Gerow
12-07-2006, 09:47 PM
ChiefValue is $10 less than Newegg on the video card and motherboard (even though they're the same company) ZZF is $5 more, but has free freight.

TridenT_Boy3555
12-07-2006, 10:03 PM
Yeah but is it cheaper than the combo?

Jon Gerow
12-07-2006, 10:25 PM
What "combo?"

Link?

TridenT_Boy3555
12-07-2006, 11:47 PM
eVGA 8800GTS look at newegg.com and you'll see a combo. eVGA 8800GTS + eVGA 680i

Jon Gerow
12-08-2006, 08:08 AM
Nope. Didn't see it.

GilmourD
12-08-2006, 10:04 AM
Nope. Didn't see it.

Actually, there is a combo that saves you $30.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductComboList.asp?ItemNo=N82E16814130071&Subcategory=48&PageSize=10&SortField=0&Page=1

Jon Gerow
12-08-2006, 10:29 AM
That's a hot deal.

Up the budget.

Or wait.

reg_pfj
12-08-2006, 03:09 PM
Why not do two separate transactions at buy.com and save $10 over the newegg deal, plus free shipping?

evga 8800 GTS, $450, free shipping, - $20 google checkout (http://www.buy.com/retail/product.asp?sku=203444496&SearchEngine=PriceGrabber&SearchTerm=203444496&Type=PE&Category=Comp&dcaid=15890)
evga 680i, $250, free shipping - $20 google checkout (http://www.buy.com/retail/product.asp?sku=203444494&SearchEngine=PriceGrabber&SearchTerm=203444494&Type=PE&Category=Comp&dcaid=15890)

$659.98 otd

edit: or if you love newegg, free shipping when you pay w' paypal (http://www.fatwallet.com/forums/messageview.php?catid=18&threadid=679373&highlight_key=y&keyword1=newegg+paypal)