PCI-E 8pin connectors

[kuhla]

In light of Ziwro's Enermax Infiniti thread ( http://www.jonnyguru.com/forums/showthread.php?t=498 ) about the new 8 pin power plug for graphics cards and jonnyGURU's thread about them a while ago ( http://www.jonnyguru.com/forums/showthread.php?t=171 ) I think we should make a list of all the power supplies that are out already that have the new connector and any coming down the pipeline as well as discuss any issues regarding the new connector (jG mentioned many manf having the wrong 8pin connector).

I am kind of happy I haven't bought a PSU yet (was planning on getting a Etasis ET-750) since I don't want to deal with another power adapter. I am using one right now from my CM RealPower RS450ACLX to my 7900GTO and I find it very annoying to route. Thus I think it would be useful to me and (I guess) others too who don't want to have to deal with such an inconvenience again.

The rumor (is this confirmed?) is that ATI's nex-gen graphics cards (R600 series) will use the new connector and since (I imagine) most people buy power supplies and plan to keep them a while it be useful to future proof now. EDIT: Looks like this will be a concern for future Nvidia owners as well:
nVidia's "G90" cards will have the 8-pins as well.

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So here we go:


SilverStone Olympia OP1000
* unknown if 8-pin is correct
>> http://silverstonetek.com/products-op1000.htm


Enermax Infiniti
* Not correct 8-pin
>> http://www.coolergiant.co.jp/Infinititokutyo/Infinititokutyo.html
>> http://www.planet3dnow.de/artikel/hardware/netzteile/netzteil2006/highend/13.shtml


Enermax Galaxy EGA1000EWL-DXX
* unknown if 8-pin is correct
>> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16817194016


Topower TOP-1000W PowerTrain
* Not correct 8-pin
>> http://www.topower.com/pwr_top_1000W.html


be quiet! BQT P6 750
* unknown if 8-pin is correct
>> http://www.planet3dnow.de/artikel/hardware/netzteile/netzteil2006/highend/6.shtml


be quiet! BQT P6 850
* unknown if 8-pin is correct
>> http://www.planet3dnow.de/artikel/hardware/netzteile/netzteil2006/highend/8.shtml


Discuss.

[Cornrow Harfoot]

Great,

I thought I was ahead of the game with my ST75ZF (is that a rebaged etasis 750?) with 4 6 pin PCI e's:wall:

[jonnyGURU]

nVidia's "G90" cards will have the 8-pins as well.

The Topower/ePower 1kW power supplies like the Power Train have the 8-pin as well, but from what I've seen, it's the WRONG 8-PIN (they changed the spec a couple months ago because a PCI-e connector w/ 8-pins is the same as an 8-pin EPS+12V only with reverse polarity! (User_Error=User_Error+1)

EDIT: Looking at the Japanese Enermax link, it looks like the Enermax has the wrong 8-pin from the early "beta" PCI-e specification as well. If your PCI-e is 8-pin with 2-pins that break away, it is not the correct 8-pin for PCI-e spec.

REAL PCI-e 8-pin WILL NOT let you "break away" two pins to make a standard 6-pin. A dongle will be required to adapt back down to a 6-pin.

[kuhla]

Ok so:

Enermax Infiniti
* Not correct 8-pin

Topower/ePower 1kW PSUs (Power Train)
* Not correct 8-pin
>> http://www.topower.com/pwr_top_1000W.html

I'll edit that first post to include these.

Do you know if the Silverstone Olympia has the proper connectors? They don't seem to be break-away.

[fyseni]

I noticed the be quiet! 750W and 850W models in the Enermax Infiniti review, aren't those two 8-pin PCI-E connectors (pic (http://www.planet3dnow.de/artikel/hardware/netzteile/netzteil2006/highend/img/41_06.jpg))?

Shame about the Infiniti though if it has the wrong 8-pin connector, was looking forward to the 720W model. :(

[Cornrow Harfoot]

Is it fair do say you've reached the bleeding edge when the vendors become clueless?

[jonnyGURU]

Is it fair do say you've reached the bleeding edge when the vendors become clueless?

It costs $3000 a year to join the PCI-e consortium. I found this out yesterday because I considered joining just to get the information. At $3K, I had a change of heart. But while I was there, I scrolled down the list of other members and was quite surprised to find that there were no power supply manufacturers listed.

[CAD4466HK]

A measley 3 grand? And "The masters of the universe" PCP&C, can't even join because their too cheap to foot the bill, but they can pay more to Nvidia to tell them that their PSU is SLI certified :confused:
Whats wrong with this picture:p

[jonnyGURU]

The difference?

It's easy for someone to go to PCI SIG's website and confirm membership is $3K per year. So PCP&C can't say it costs $75K to be on the bleeding edge of PCI-e technology.

[CAD4466HK]

The difference?

It's easy for someone to go to PCI SIG's website and confirm membership is $3K per year. So PCP&C can't say it costs $75K to be on the bleeding edge of PCI-e technology.

I wish more people could see the simplicity of what it takes being bleeding edge and not
blindly follow the PCP&C pied piper and their ass load of frell:p

[kuhla]

I noticed the be quiet! 750W and 850W models in the Enermax Infiniti review, aren't those two 8-pin PCI-E connectors (pic (http://www.planet3dnow.de/artikel/hardware/netzteile/netzteil2006/highend/img/41_06.jpg))?

updated original post with those two models.

jonnyGURU, do you know anything about the BQT P6 750 and BQT P6 850 whether they use the correct 8-pin or not?

I'm going to assume they are Topower like the Dark Power Pro BQT P6-PRO madmat reviewed. Since the Topower TOP-1000W PowerTrain does not have the correct pins, could we assume that the be quiet!s don't either?

[jonnyGURU]

The Be Quiets are Topowers, so they're probably wrong too. ;)

Your thread really isn't going to be too useful until PCI SIG finalizes the 225/300W specification and people start putting out PSU's with the correct connector. Even if they agreed on a connector a month ago, it's going to take until next month for those units to be in distribution! :D

Look... If the PSU is available NOW and it has an 8-pin PCI-e, I'm telling you that right now it's going to be wrong. You can pretty much just use that as a rule.

I'm only "hoping" that the delay w/ the Silverstone is that they're waiting for PCI SIG to finalize the 8-pin PCI-e connector. Because otherwise, the product is done. Take a SevenTeam 1kW, bridge the rails (that's all they did is just use jumper wires across the +12V rails and remove the OCP,) paint it black and slap a SilverStone label on it. So I can't think of any other good reason why there would be a delay.

[psurge]

So the webpages for the Thermaltake Toughpower 1000W and 1200W models are live:
Toughpower 1000W (http://www.thermaltake.com/product/Power/ToughPower/W0132/w0132.asp)
Toughpower 1200W (http://www.thermaltake.com/product/Power/ToughPower/W0133/w0133.asp)

They apparently support 3 PCIe 6pin and 3 PCIe 8 pin connectors. My question is, given that these are modular units, does it matter if the connectors they ship with at first are wrong (I don't know that they are, just hypothetically speaking)? Would I be able to just buy a different cable with the correct connector later?

[jonnyGURU]

Even if they're modular, there may be a problem.

From what I understand, there is a +12V sense on the new connector. From what I've seen, the "incorrect" 8-pin PCI-e just adds an additional +12V to the end of a 6-pin PCI-e.

I'll need to confirm that with a Topower Power Train I have sitting around.

[kuhla]

Your thread really isn't going to be too useful until PCI SIG finalizes the 225/300W specification and people start putting out PSU's with the correct connector. :D

LET ME HAVE MY FUN!! :p