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Zap
11-12-2008, 05:10 PM
FAIL

HardOCP review (http://enthusiast.hardocp.com/article.html?art=MTU2Niw5LCxoZW50aHVzaWFzdA==)

Cliffs, Sirtec built, similar to a cheapened FSP Epsilon

Travis
11-12-2008, 08:50 PM
Yeah Doug has a freezer for OCZ-branded units.

Can we conclude that low +12V output indicates an overrated crap?

FYI: TREC cap
http://www.trec-con.com/

according to: http://capacitor.web.fc2.com/

A question for Spectre: How did the two units fail? Overheated? Triggered OPP? Voltage/ripple out of spec?
I wonder how they'll perform in room temperature conditions.

Spectre
11-12-2008, 09:20 PM
Well I don't see it at capacitor web but that looks like them.

They both failed by shutting down. The first restarts at lower loads, but the second blew the switching transistors.

Oklahoma Wolf
11-12-2008, 09:28 PM
The first restarts at lower loads, but the second blew the switching transistors.

Sounds like a Sirtec alright ;)

Travis
11-12-2008, 09:39 PM
I don't see it at capacitor web.

------ その他のコンデンサ(自作PCでは使用頻度が極端に少ないと思われる物) ------

The TREC name follows this row. It's regarded as "caps not frequently used in PC".

HOOfan_1
11-13-2008, 06:38 AM
The newest Lian-Li units look similar externally...wonder if they are the same junk internally as well

Super Nade
11-13-2008, 07:41 AM
I don't know why a reputed company would put out something like this? A dodgy OEM, probably rated at 25C and at peak power. Very disappointing. Plus it is priced so high. Why will somebody go for this when you buy a ES800 for < $100 or something else from OCZ's own stables that performs better for less? Seems worse than Best buy's Rocketfish crap. :confused:

jonnyGURU
11-13-2008, 07:57 AM
The newest Lian-Li units look similar externally...wonder if they are the same junk internally as well

Probably? Lian Li has always used Sirtec in the past.

Travis
11-13-2008, 08:04 AM
Same Sirtec might not be the same junk.

HOOfan_1
11-13-2008, 08:09 AM
I don't know why a reputed company would put out something like this? A dodgy OEM, probably rated at 25C and at peak power. Very disappointing. Plus it is priced so high. Why will somebody go for this when you buy a ES800 for < $100 or something else from OCZ's own stables that performs better for less? Seems worse than Best buy's Rocketfish crap. :confused:

Ignorance of the average consumer? There are people out there who think OCZ is one of the best PSU brands around...and they have built their reputation on a few decent units. People will look at the OCZ name badge and instantly trust it, they will look at the exterior and think it looks slick and they will see the "pro" moniker and think they are getting something exclusive and top of the line. Then they might even see a website review that maeasures voltages using OCCT and think they have a great unit.

Worse is Lian-Li who is charging about $70 for PSUs possibly built on the same platform as these. Everyone knows Lian-Li cases are top quality...so they wouldn't sell a POS PSU now would they?

Travis
11-13-2008, 08:13 AM
Excuse me... what is "POS"?

TechSalvager
11-13-2008, 08:35 AM
Piece Of Shit ( POS ) sorry mods can edit that if need be
or Point Of Sales ( POS ) depending what use it used for

burebista
11-13-2008, 09:47 AM
A dodgy OEM, probably rated at 25C and at peak power.
I show this review to our Sirtec reseller and he emailed Sirtec asking for some clarifications.
When and if he receive an answer I'll put it here.
Meanwhile my friend told me that internally that unit is almost identical with Sirtec HP-550-G14C.

Zap
11-13-2008, 10:15 AM
So, maybe the unit does reasonably well as a 550W?

jonnyGURU
11-13-2008, 10:16 AM
Piece Of Shit ( POS ) sorry mods can edit that if need be

I'd edit Hutch's avatar before editing the word "shit" used in a contextual manner.

SKYMTL
11-13-2008, 03:40 PM
What shocks me the most is the test report. For me this actually gives the whole PCP&C "Testing Process" a black eye. All of us knew things like this would happen when OCZ bought PCP&C....

jonnyGURU
11-13-2008, 04:11 PM
What shocks me the most is the test report. For me this actually gives the whole PCP&C "Testing Process" a black eye. All of us knew things like this would happen when OCZ bought PCP&C....

Oh... that reminds me.... You went through two of these things, right?

Did you compare the two test reports? Were they actually different or the exact same?

Spectre
11-13-2008, 04:18 PM
Oh... that reminds me.... You went through two of these things, right?

Did you compare the two test reports? Were they actually different or the exact same?

Different serial numbers, slightly different final wattage, and efficiency.

SKYMTL
11-13-2008, 10:35 PM
Oh... that reminds me.... You went through two of these things, right?

Did you compare the two test reports? Were they actually different or the exact same?

The test reports I have of two Silencer 750W are slightly different even though the efficiency is the EXACT same on both I have.

SnooP
11-14-2008, 05:58 AM
test report by random number generator? ;)

HOOfan_1
11-14-2008, 08:13 AM
What shocks me the most is the test report. For me this actually gives the whole PCP&C "Testing Process" a black eye. All of us knew things like this would happen when OCZ bought PCP&C....

So you are saying PC Power and Cooling's crap actually can stink?

panca saputra jaya
11-16-2008, 04:20 AM
found some interesting picture (travis should be familiar)
http://www.iamxtreme.net/andre/LSI/hp400/08.jpg

this is 500watt sirtec unit
have a look at primary-cap

Travis
11-16-2008, 12:07 PM
found some interesting picture (travis should be familiar)
http://www.iamxtreme.net/andre/LSI/hp400/08.jpg

this is 500watt sirtec unit
have a look at primary-cap

More here.
http://www.xfastest.com/viewthread.php?tid=6670&extra=page%3D4

Plus this Seed, Rubycon on primary and TREC on the secondary
http://www.xfastest.com/viewthread.php?tid=12694&extra=page%3D2

And this Powerex is using TREC again...
http://www.xfastest.com/viewthread.php?tid=16120&extra=page%3D1

High Power(Sirtec) 500W, TREC everywhere
http://www.xfastest.com/viewthread.php?tid=9775&extra=page%3D3

Sirtec-TREC
CWT-Samxon
Enhance-Teapo
AcBel-Elite/Ltec
...

burebista
12-05-2008, 03:52 AM
So, maybe the unit does reasonably well as a 550W?
Heh, it looks like his 600W brother did well (http://www.pcper.com/article.php?aid=644&type=expert&pid=1). :wtf:

Spectre
12-05-2008, 09:03 AM
Heh, it looks like his 600W brother did well (http://www.pcper.com/article.php?aid=644&type=expert&pid=1). :wtf:

Same components just 600w ;)

Also, it damn near went out of spec on the crossload, and Lee only runs his at roomtemp currently.

Travis
12-05-2008, 10:47 AM
Also, it damn near went out of spec on the crossload.

You can't blame a group regulated unit for that, right? +12V loaded 2A and other two rails under full load, it's an abnormal load pattern and Intel doesn't require that kind of crossload.

Spectre
12-05-2008, 11:12 AM
You can't blame a group regulated unit for that, right? +12V loaded 2A and other two rails under full load, it's an abnormal load pattern and Intel doesn't require that kind of crossload.

If you are going to sell it in an environment where independently regulated units or DC-DC, etc units don't well then yes. The group regulated design is a cheap design. Why should its poorer performance be praised when better designs exist and do a better job :confused:

Ninja7
12-05-2008, 01:10 PM
So wait a sec, this "pro" version is worse than the normal episilon version ? :confused:

Spectre
12-05-2008, 01:11 PM
So wait a sec, this "pro" version is worse than the normal episilon version ? :confused:

Never had an OCZ Epsilon, but the Epsilon platform has always been flaky....

Ninja7
12-05-2008, 03:24 PM
Never had an OCZ Epsilon, but the Epsilon platform has always been flaky....

lol, tell me about it :p

Though ive had one and this Sirtec built "Pro" version seems much worse.

Spectre
12-05-2008, 03:43 PM
I would rather own this than an Epsilon.