Dell are now selling PSUs?

[Super Nade]

Since when did THIS (http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/productdetail.aspx?sku=A1502086&cs=19&c=us&l=en&dgc=SS&cid=27530&lid=627063) happen? :)

[SKYMTL]

Good Lord.

Edit:

GOOD LORD!!!!!!!!!!!! (http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/category.aspx?c=us&l=en&s=dhs&cs=19&category_id=6732&~ck=bt)

[Super Nade]

HOLY CRAP (see left hand side)! (http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/category.aspx?c=us&l=en&s=dhs&cs=19&%7Eck=anav&category_id=6348)

Now for some fun: :D ZMOG!!!!!!!!1111111 Looks like their pricing is really out of whack.

http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/2871/dellbsmn4.th.png (http://img521.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dellbsmn4.png)

[HOOfan_1]

Ok I know some places have started labeling the PC Power and Cooling PSUs as OCZ...but that Dell page SKYMTL linked, names an OCZ ModXstream PSU as a PC Power and Cooling :crazy:

[Super Nade]

Yeah, I saw that. If they can sell Celerons for $800, they are probably entitled to make smaller mistakes. :p

[jonnyGURU]

LOL.... Nothing new guys. Dell is just linked up with a tier 1 disty, probably D&H or SED judging by the selection, is using a flat markup on everything and having the product drop-shipped from whatever warehouse.

The PC Power is listed as "OCZ" because that's the way the disty lists it.

[Killy]

I always thought the business world was strange ..

Company makes product. Some other companies buy it. Those companies resell to warehouses, which then either act as store fronts or further sell down to mini stores, where it finally reaches the consumer.

[vicong]

I always thought the business world was strange ..

Company makes product. Some other companies buy it. Those companies resell to warehouses, which then either act as store fronts or further sell down to mini stores, where it finally reaches the consumer.
And that's you called distribution.

Thanks to modern management theory now almost every companies only specialized on one or two skill that the core of their business so they began outsourcing if they think some skill are not their business core (remember when you guys in US called company hotline support and pick up by some India Guy or woman). Even I read UPS in US now manage the RMA for Toshiba laptop not just deliver it but also repair the laptop (yeah the UPS guy it's some kind an alien). Wipro (http://www.wipro.com/) Director even dare to say that with respectfully if Wipro goes bankrupt theres more hurt to a lot of other business than if Mc'Donalds bankrupt :D

Getting more good now the update say that you must keep your stock at warehouse low (even make it zero if you can). So traditional method doing business that build product from scratch and directly goes to the market is less use today in almost every product you need more cooperation with other company even in other country (a lot of :)).

For Dell case they are one of biggest company that use all of the theory since the very beginning the other are Walmart. And now I know why Dell is not big in Indonesia even Walmart doesn't want start their business here. The key is distribution in other word transportation cost. The cost to make a container send from Batam (Indonesia region near to Singapore) to Jakarta is 2X cost to send the same container from Singapore to California not to count the lost because the delay with Indonesia administration process.

[jonnyGURU]

Even I read UPS in US now manage the RMA for Toshiba laptop not just deliver it but also repair the laptop (yeah the UPS guy it's some kind an alien).

Yup. UPS actually does RMA for a lot of folks. Know NCIXUS? There IS no NCIXUS. NCIX ships product across the US/Canada border to a UPS facility in Washington state. UPS then handles all of the logistics from there AND handles the RMA exchanges for anything returned. BRILLIANT!

If you think about it, it's not "strange". This of it as a company hiring a "temp". No "benefits" to pay, etc. Just tell the temp company what you need. The way Dell is doing this, all they have to pay for is someone to set up a website. The disty does all of the warehousing and shipping which costs LESS than if Dell did it themselves. Think of the real estate and manpower that takes? A disty is doing the same thing for dozens of other companies so their overhead is much lower when you average it out.

Same is true when a company "brands" another's product for sale. All marketing and advertising costs are taken out of the OEM's budget! If the OEM doesn't have a presense in the country the product is being sold in, they're also saving money on logistics and warehousing. And never mind translation of boxes, manuals, etc.

[vicong]

If you think about it, it's not "strange". This of it as a company hiring a "temp". No "benefits" to pay, etc. Just tell the temp company what you need. The way Dell is doing this, all they have to pay for is someone to set up a website. The disty does all of the warehousing and shipping which costs LESS than if Dell did it themselves. Think of the real estate and manpower that takes? A disty is doing the same thing for dozens of other companies so their overhead is much lower when you average it out.

Yes you're right another famous modern management theory economic of scale.

[Killy]

I should take a first year econ course. I need to do it anyways ..

Anyways, what you say about UPS is really interesting. I always thought they were just a shipping company, but now it turns out they're actually the US storefront for ncix ..

[jonnyGURU]

Yeah. Economics are interesting. Whenever someone whines about the something that costs $25 to manufacture selling for $50 in the end, it's STFU time because that person isn't taking into consideration shipping, warehousing, office space rent, marketing, advertising, etc. In some cases, you have to take into consideration interest on a loan to help pay for the unsold product too! Not every company has $1mil in capital on hand just for the purpose of paying for $1mil in inventory. Cost of doing business is expensive and people are trying to find any way possible to make it as cheap as possible.

This is the address NCIX uses for NCIXUS:

1927 Boblett Street, Blaine, WA 98230

Here it is on Google maps: http://maps.google.com/maps?ie=UTF8&oe=UTF-8&q=1927+Boblett+St,+Blaine,+WA+98230,+USA&ll=48.990585,-122.726356&spn=0.001813,0.004313&t=h&z=18&iwloc=addr

This facility is owned by UPS Supply Chain Solutions: http://www.ups-scs.com/

This facility is also used by:

Imprint Plus for logistics of name badges
Squirrel Systems for repair of POS systems
Uptrend Industries for logistics of foosball tables
SEON for logistics of surveillance systems
Wide Loyal for logistics of lighting systems
Ocean Rodeo for RMA of surfboards, sailboards, etc.
Essex Distributors for logistics of Bilstein shock absorbers
etc.....

[vicong]

Anyways, what you say about UPS is really interesting. I always thought they were just a shipping company, but now it turns out they're actually the US storefront for ncix ..
Theres a lot of company like UPS, I mean not so famous with their real competency (the real money maker for them), they just make an image as usual company that give usual product or services. Other example in Indonesia telco industry CDMA platform Telkom Flexy and Mobile-8 is big brand that compete each other, guess what their hardware operate & manage by same company from Korea Samsung of course they buying a lot of telco hardware from Samsung too.

Even theres also not ever heard of, but their product/services is using everywhere :D

For example :

Hon Hai (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foxconn) (Taiwan Company) yeah I know a lot of this forum member know this company (but try asking some of your friends) Hon Hai make PS3, Xbox, Wii, ipod, Macbook, iPhone Computer Motherboard, Computer Cable, Nokia & Sony Ericsson phone etc.
Sinar Baja Electric (http://sinarbajaelectric.com/) (Indonesia Company), they make speaker for Yamaha, JVC, Kenwood, Pioneer, Clarion, Alpine, Boston Accoustic, MTX, Rockford, Harman Becker, Matsushita Group, Sharp even for Aston Martin, VolksWagen (VW), KIA, Honda, Bentley.
Chimei (Taiwan Company) LCD OEM for Samsung, Dell, View Sonic and Acer.
Infosys (India Company)
TRON (http://tronweb.super-nova.co.jp/tronlogo.html).


In PSU world I think theres also very lot example..

[Killy]

Wow, jesus. Squirrel Systems : D

Seems like distro systems are working by the one-demand basis. Do they use the just-in-time strategy?

Funny how at the end of the day, the roundabout route ends up being more profitable than the direct route. Can't say I'm too surprised, I remember reading an article about how this medical gas distribution company used a computer algorithm to match trucks up with supply stations. Before trucks would always go to the closest station, but now they were going to farther stations and stops .. and it ended up being more profitable for the company.

[jonnyGURU]

Seems like distro systems are working by the one-demand basis. Do they use the just-in-time strategy?

In Dell's case: Yes. They don't "own" any of the product. They merely make a "commission" off of product sold.

For NCIX and others using UPS, they own the inventory, so they're only saving money on warehousing and shipping. UPS doesn't own any of the inventory.. but they do insure it. ;)

For some companies, an OEM may sell to the "company" on consignment. They'll bring the product over and warehouse it for them and then move the product to their warehouse on a "just in time" basis and only pay for it once it arrives at the "company's" warehouse. This prevents the company from having to pay for extra warehouse space and paying interest on unsold product. Of course, the OEM ends up paying for warehousing though but sometimes those kinds of things have to be done to make you better than the competition. ;)

[vicong]

Wow, jesus. Squirrel Systems : D

Seems like distro systems are working by the one-demand basis. Do they use the just-in-time strategy?

Funny how at the end of the day, the roundabout route ends up being more profitable than the direct route. Can't say I'm too surprised, I remember reading an article about how this medical gas distribution company used a computer algorithm to match trucks up with supply stations. Before trucks would always go to the closest station, but now they were going to farther stations and stops .. and it ended up being more profitable for the company.
Yes just-in-time strategy is popular and many company start using it.

Try think Walmart Algorithm how they manage & distribute all of your stuff and still make the price is low, yes I know Walmart have evil side (just like other big company) but beside that they have a very good supply chain.

Maybe in US paycheck like $1000 a month is only for some boring job (I heard the minimum standard in US is $5 an hour ?). I don't know what kind employee you can get in the US with that money, but in Indonesia $1000 a month is a very good salary (think about middle manager in multinational company). This also true for other part of the world like China, India, Thailand, Russia, Eastern Europe etc.

For business outsourcing means you can get more with less money. For American, Japan, Korea & West Europe people if they stop make creative design or invention something they will loss their job because a lot of usual job now transfer to the other part of the world that can do that job in cheaper price.

In Dell's case: Yes. They don't "own" any of the product. They merely make a "commission" off of product sold.

For NCIX and others using UPS, they own the inventory, so they're only saving money on warehousing and shipping. UPS doesn't own any of the inventory.. but they do insure it. ;)

For some companies, an OEM may sell to the "company" on consignment. They'll bring the product over and warehouse it for them and then move the product to their warehouse on a "just in time" basis and only pay for it once it arrives at the "company's" warehouse. This prevents the company from having to pay for extra warehouse space and paying interest on unsold product. Of course, the OEM ends up paying for warehousing though but sometimes those kinds of things have to be done to make you better than the competition. ;)
I am sorry the UPS example is not called outsourcing (like my post before), but it called insourcing (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Insourcing). I still read more what is the different between in and out ?

Dell supply chain is the very famous example. You can read more about it here (http://www.fastcompany.com/magazine/88/dell.html).
Anandtech make a wonderful tour to Newegg you can read it here (http://www.anandtech.com/printarticle.aspx?i=2694).