New Thermaltake 850W PSU?

[jonnyGURU]

Holy crap! 850W modular Thermaltake!

http://www.thermaltake.com/product/Power/ToughPower/W0131/w0131.asp

Any thoughts?

[Oklahoma Wolf]

As long as CWT isn't going back to Fuhjyyu, I have no immediate problem with it ;)

[madmat]

They've got 1kW and 1.2kW versions coming soon. I'm interested to see how big those puppies are.

[Tt Tech]

Whoa... a new board....

The 850W isn't going to be here in the States until at least mid December according to "trusted sources".

On the other hand, the >1kw power supplies are actually very interesting.

So far, all the >1kw power supplies on the market have just been 2 500W power supplies squeezed into one unit... Tt's will actually be one whole power supply outputting 1kw. That's all I know for now folks! =)

[jonnyGURU]

All hail! TT Tech has joined the jonnyGURU Forums!!!!! :D

[Slartibartfast]

But where does it actually "take" the "thermal" to?? :confused:

[GalvanizedYankee]

Whoa... a new board....

The 850W isn't going to be here in the States until at least mid December according to "trusted sources".

On the other hand, the >1kw power supplies are actually very interesting.

So far, all the >1kw power supplies on the market have just been 2 500W power supplies squeezed into one unit... Tt's will actually be one whole power supply outputting 1kw. That's all I know for now folks! =)

Congrats on getting a VG review on the 750W ToughPower unit. I hope this 850 does as well or better.
How are things up in The City of Industry? Cool & dry :) I'm down in Long Beach...Neighbor.

I like some of Tt's cases and now you guys look to be busting out with some VG high output PSUs, these are good things. Now review the cfm vs dba ratings of Tt fans and all will be well :D

jonny, the 750 has a Hitachi primary and the output side is SamXon, so if the 850 follows suit it will be a good sign. Topcat is doing a 5 board stress test of SamXon caps. Some of the guys at badcaps are having good things to say about SamXon. You probably know that already but others might not know.

[GalvanizedYankee]

All hail! TT Tech has joined the jonnyGURU Forums!!!!! :D

Yes sir! All hail! No joke about it Tt Tech, you are welcome here. We are not a bunch of fan boys pushing one brand of PSU.
Please do join us in the pursuit of truth, stabilty and clean, long lasting power :)

[madmat]

Thing is that in the audio world the standard of measurement is taken at 1m not from 8" or whatever we see a lot of reviewers doing. If Tt is having the noise levels measured by an idependent audio testing facility then they're going to use the accepted standard of measure since it IS an industry standard.

[Tt Tech]

But where does it actually "take" the "thermal" to?? :confused:

We take the thermal to umm... outside.

We're umm... responsible for global warming....? :crazy:

[Tt Tech]

Congrats on getting a VG review on the 750W ToughPower unit. I hope this 850 does as well or better.
How are things up in The City of Industry? Cool & dry :) I'm down in Long Beach...Neighbor.

I like some of Tt's cases and now you guys look to be busting out with some VG high output PSUs, these are good things. Now review the cfm vs dba ratings of Tt fans and all will be well :D


Hey hey! Great to be here! =)

We'll um.... review the cfm/dba ratings in a few lightyears.... I'll keep ya updated

[Oklahoma Wolf]

I have a bad cold, so I'll take more thermal please :D

[davidhammock200]

All hail! TT Tech has joined the jonnyGURU Forums!!!!! :DWelcome!

TT measures noise the same way the US Army does from 1KM out! lol

[Bbq]

Cool, TT tech is nere now!!

Dave, if you think TT noise ratings are not too hot, check out SilenX. 14db, 90cfm. And $28 for the 120mm fan. Which happens to be a rebadged ADDA fan. Oh yea, it rattles, creaks, wobbles, ticks, and scratches. Terrible, terrible fan.

[davidhammock200]

Cool, TT tech is nere now!!

Dave, if you think TT noise ratings are not too hot, check out SilenX. 14db, 90cfm. And $28 for the 120mm fan. Which happens to be a rebadged ADDA fan. Oh yea, it rattles, creaks, wobbles, ticks, and scratches. Terrible, terrible fan.Ah! Who cares about noise!
Just use a 2hp B&D leaf blower & even with the stock HS & you will be fine! lol :beer: :crazy:

[SuperSix]

Whoa... a new board....

The 850W isn't going to be here in the States until at least mid December according to "trusted sources".

On the other hand, the >1kw power supplies are actually very interesting.

So far, all the >1kw power supplies on the market have just been 2 500W power supplies squeezed into one unit... Tt's will actually be one whole power supply outputting 1kw. That's all I know for now folks! =)

<insider disty talk>
Make sure to talk to Ms Wu @ (You know who) so I can distribute it! (No, not YOUR Ms. Wu)
</insider disty talk>

[GalvanizedYankee]

Come-on guys. Let's not give Tt Tech too hard a time of it. They do offer some good products. The young gamers really love thier stuff.

I did take the liberty of calling Tt Tech at work and welcoming him to jonnyguru's forum. He seemed like a decent geek, just like most of us :p

Bbq, fans are spelled, Sanyo Denki, NMB, Nidec, Arctic Cooling, Scythe, made in Japanaflows and made in Germany Pabst.

[Effect]

We take the thermal to umm... outside.

We're umm... responsible for global warming....? :crazy:

Ah huh! I knew it!

Let's hope all Tt products, good and bad, keep taking the Toughpower route =).

Anyway....back to that coffee i was making...

[davidhammock200]

Ah huh! I knew it!

Let's hope all Tt products, good and bad, keep taking the Toughpower route =).

Anyway....back to that coffee i was making...Welcome & to your wish, we all add amen! ;)

[Tt Tech]

<insider disty talk>
Make sure to talk to Ms Wu @ (You know who) so I can distribute it! (No, not YOUR Ms. Wu)
</insider disty talk>



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[Praxis1452]

a tech joined here already even if galvanized did call him... :)

[CAD4466HK]

a tech joined here already even if galvanized did call him... :)

Did you rip your name from a Klingon moon?
just wondering.

[Praxis1452]

Did you rip your name from a Klingon moon?
just wondering.

Did I? :( lol. The word praxis is related to some of my ideas on philosophy... however 1452 is just a number that's easy to remember for me and that I put at the end :p

big star trek fan?

[CAD4466HK]

Did I? :( lol. The word praxis is related to some of my ideas on philosophy... however 1452 is just a number that's easy to remember for me and that I put at the end :p

big star trek fan?

I'm a geek:)
What can I say?

[Slartibartfast]

Did I? :( lol. The word praxis is related to some of my ideas on philosophy... however 1452 is just a number that's easy to remember for me and that I put at the end :p

big star trek fan?

Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country :D

Probably the best of the ST movies.

[Hutch]

Fan noise is a + for me... the louder it is, the cheaper it is! I don't notice fan noise until over 40db, and not until over 55db does it get the least bit annoying...

[Hutch]

Just saw this on newegg http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16817153043

Quad 12v (12v1 18A, 12v2 18A, 12v3 30A, 12v4 30A; total combined 62A 12v.) Sounds like it's designed specifically for Dual 8800GTX's, with the 12v3 and 12v4 running the pci-e cards, but thats just speculation. Not sure if this is new, but it just arrived at newegg. PSU is also modular and costs $279.99.
http://www.thermaltakeusa.com/product/Power/ToughPower/W0131/w0131.asp


According to the thermaltake website they also have the W0132RU and W0133RU being released soon which are 1000W and 1200W modular psu's with a combined 86A and 96A availible on the 12v's. The latter two psu's will have 6 PCI-E connectors, probably for the tri 8800's on the nforce 600 boards.

All 3 PSU's offer up to 87% efficiency.

[Sphere]

Hutch,

With the Toughpower 750 you have 60amps, didn't pay much attention until you brought it up. So, one would be paying how much extra for 2 amps on the 12v? this should prove to be quite interesting.

[chubbyfatazn]

Bbq, fans are spelled, Sanyo Denki, NMB, Nidec, Arctic Cooling, Scythe, made in Japanaflows and made in Germany Pabst.

and i always thought it was papst.. uh oh'

[Hutch]

Hutch,

With the Toughpower 750 you have 60amps, didn't pay much attention until you brought it up. So, one would be paying how much extra for 2 amps on the 12v? this should prove to be quite interesting.


The big difference however is that you actually get those 62 amps. With the 750W to have 60 amps on the 12v you'd need to have nothing on the 3.3v and the 5v. 60 amps = 720 watts and the max continuous output is 750W total for all of the rails. With the 850 you can actually get the full 62 amps availible on the 12v without a ridiculous crossload.

Also, the 12v3 and 12v4 on the 850W have a max of 30 amps on each one, instead of the max of 18A on the 750W. This way you can use 8800GTX's in SLI and have enough power, as each one of these cards can put out more than 18 amps supposibley.

[madmat]

Also as we know from Jonny's review of the 750, it won't push 60A on the 12V rail continuously anyways. That's most likely a peak number.

[Sphere]

Thanks for clarifying guys.

[JEDIYoda]

Whoa... a new board....

The 850W isn't going to be here in the States until at least mid December according to "trusted sources".

On the other hand, the >1kw power supplies are actually very interesting.

So far, all the >1kw power supplies on the market have just been 2 500W power supplies squeezed into one unit... Tt's will actually be one whole power supply outputting 1kw. That's all I know for now folks! =)

Sounds like a lot of marketing talk to me!!
Research is needed!! Thats just not a true statement!!

But its nice to see a TT Rep on these forums!!

[Tt Tech]

Excuse me?

If you've ever seen a PCP&P 1kw or a Enermax Galaxy 1kw dissected, you'll know. =)

http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/article/365/5


"Lots of marketing talk".... -___-
Thermaltake could have easily squeezed 2 500Ws into a PSU and have it compete with Enermax and PCP&C.... But we chose not to.

[JEDIYoda]

Excuse me?

If you've ever seen a PCP&P 1kw or a Enermax Galaxy 1kw dissected, you'll know. =)

http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/article/365/5


"Lots of marketing talk".... -___-
Thermaltake could have easily squeezed 2 500Ws into a PSU and have it compete with Enermax and PCP&C.... But we chose not to.

I do know and its just not true!! But might be an attempt at spinning a good marketing move on ThermalTakes part!!

[Slartibartfast]

oh man here comes the smack talk! We need more official reps in here so we can have nice mudsling fest :)

[jonnyGURU]

Ok... Let's just say this....

Technically, a PSU that requires two transformers and two separate rectifiers to output a high 12V rail can be considered two 500W PSU's smacked into each other in the same housing.

The flipside of this would be a high output transformer with a single 12V rectifier.

With a multi-12V rail PSU, this wouldn't make sense. You have "separate" 12V rails, so why not have two rails pull from one "source" (one transformer, one rectifier) and another pair of rails pull from another?

(Now here's the part where I agreed with JEDIYoda and said that the statement seemed to be a bit of marketing fluff...)

In a single 12V rail PSU, why bother other than to keep costs down?

But the end result is: WHO CARES?!?!

If the output capability is the same, it really shouldn't matter unless SIZE is an issue. If you could squeeze 1kW out of EIGHT transformers, I don't care if the PSU is a reasonable size.

And perhaps that's where the dividing line is. If using cheaper components, like lower wattage transformers and rectifiers in tandem, means I'm not going to have a PSU with a reasonable size (read: NOT the Galaxy, ST10000 or PCP&C,) then BRING ON the PSU's that AREN'T "just two 500W PSU's slammed into the same housing.

Seriously.

Power supplies are a prime subject right now because we're upwards of 1kW DC output and it's put up or shut up time. Tagan and SevenTeam have trumped PCP&C with greater 12V output rated at the same temp (50C) so what's the next level other than EVEN MORE POWER? It's going to be putting out all that power in a smaller package.

Am I wrong?

[madmat]

I'm really interested to see how big the big Tt's are. They list as having 140mm fans so that means a single sided PCB layout, if they can get 1100 or 1200W into a chassis the size of the 750W I'm in!

[jonnyGURU]

You hear that TT Tech?

Review samples???? Anyone??? Hello?????

;)

[Tt Tech]

From the pictures I've seen, it'll be about an inch longer than the current 750W and 850W.

What jonny? I didn't hear u... Louder!

[madmat]

An inch longer is still not bad compared to the PC P&C though, those monsters are easily 2" longer.

[Tt Tech]

The PCP&C units are 9" total length

[jonnyGURU]

9"?

Then it's not any smaller.

So JEDI's point is somewhat valid (although the execution was half cocked.)

If "two 500W PSU's inside the same box" is the negative connotation we're going to use for a PSU with two 12V transformers and rectifiers, convince me why otherwise is more advantageous. ;)

FYI: This OCZ 1kW doesn't look to be any larger than your standard ATX12V PSU:

http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=2870&p=18

[Hurin]

This is now in stock at Newegg!

Linky (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16817153043)

[GalvanizedYankee]

The pic makes it look a lot shorter than 220mm.

[kimandsally]

I look forward to the day when instead of bigger and bigger we might use several smaller units where by on light load only one PSU is running then as load increases the other PSU's fire up one by one to provide the required power, apart from size and initial cost I think this might be the way to go, just imagine how much more efficient it would be.

Am I nuts or might this be a good idea?

[Tt Tech]

That's highly unnecessary as the PSUs today only output as much as your system demands. I.e, if your system is idle and only needs to consume 40w, an 850W PSU will only output 40W for the system. Not the mention efficiency is ALWAYS higher during light load than max load. Max load is at 85%, light load is as high as 95%.

[kimandsally]

That's highly unnecessary as the PSUs today only output as much as your system demands. I.e, if your system is idle and only needs to consume 40w, an 850W PSU will only output 40W for the system. Not the mention efficiency is ALWAYS higher during light load than max load. Max load is at 85%, light load is as high as 95%.

Well there we go, I thought the efficiency of a higher wattage PSU say 850W was lower at shall we say 100W, so it would seem if that is the case what I suggested is already happening, just a good job I don't pretend to know what I'm doing.:)

[madmat]

9"?

Then it's not any smaller.

So JEDI's point is somewhat valid (although the execution was half cocked.)

If "two 500W PSU's inside the same box" is the negative connotation we're going to use for a PSU with two 12V transformers and rectifiers, convince me why otherwise is more advantageous. ;)

FYI: This OCZ 1kW doesn't look to be any larger than your standard ATX12V PSU:

http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=2870&p=18

Yes, it is considerably smaller. The 750 is the same exact size as an X2 550W which is roughly 6" long, that added inch means it's 7" which is a good 2" shorter than a PC P&C kW unit and still a bit shorter than my beloved Duro which is still MIA.

It's (the Duro) about 7.5" so the big Tt's are still reasonably smaller than their competition.

[Nasgul]

This is now in stock at Newegg!

Linky (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16817153043)

Wow! That is expensive.

Nonetheless, I like TT PSUs but not in modular flavor, actually I don't like any modular PSU.

[CAD4466HK]

Wow! That is expensive.

Nonetheless, I like TT PSUs

Word of advice, careful what you say in this forum, you never know who
might be listening:p

[madmat]

I like the Toughpowers very much. Very rugged PSU's and well mannered if you overload them. Jonny's proven that himself. Where some PSU's (that will remain nameless) would blow a fuse or blow up when pushed past the ragged edge the Toughpower just simply shut down. No muss, no fuss. Personally knowing that I can safely overload my PSU and it won't go horribly out of spec or blow up makes me have a warm fuzzy feeling inside, "Kinda like when I climbed the rope in gym class." to quote Garth.