HUGE NEWS!!! OCZ buys PC Power & Cooling!!

[SKYMTL]

This just in!!!

http://www.ocztechnology.com/aboutocz/press/2007/222

OCZ and PC Power & Cooling Join Forces to Revolutionize Power Management

Sunnyvale, Calif.—May 25, 2007—OCZ today announced immediate plans to bring PC Power & Cooling into the OCZ Technology Group. As a worldwide leader in high performance computer hardware, OCZ acquired PC Power & Cooling to utilize their keen expertise in power management and take the organization to the next level. This compelling partnership between the two like-minded companies will create a powerful fusion of patented technologies, innovative, high quality PC components, and improved accessibility of premium solutions for customers worldwide. All parties, including the consumer, will benefit from the acquisition; the combined company is now situated to deliver ground-breaking power solutions to meet the growing demand for efficient, high performance components to power the computing needs of gaming, enthusiast, and mission-critical systems builders alike.

With OCZ and PC Power & Cooling joining forces, the result is a solid partnership aimed at delivering superior solutions to end-users. Combining technical strengths, R&D resources, and complementary proficiencies, the new OCZ Technology Group intends to go above and beyond consumer expectations in quality, service, and hi-tech leadership. As the time-honored frontrunner in best-in-class power solutions, only PC Power & Cooling can redefine and develop the market’s standards of performance, as it has done for the past twenty-two years since its inception in 1985. Previously, PC Power & Cooling solutions were only available to US customers through their online store and a few select resellers and retail outlets. Under the OCZ Technology Group, PC Power & Cooling products will gain the exposure of the established OCZ global channel, maximizing the availability of the reputable line to customers everywhere.

All OCZ and PC Power & Cooling product lines will benefit from the new collaboration efforts. Moving forward, PC Power & Cooling’s complete line of power supplies will become the premium-grade PSU collection from OCZ, and will continue to be branded under the PC Power & Cooling brand. In addition to combining current product lines, the focus of OCZ and PC Power & Cooling is to take innovation and industry leadership to new heights. As the founder and CEO of PCP&C, Doug Dodson, moves into the position of Chief Technology Officer at OCZ, the integration of his expertise will set new standards for OCZ product development and innovation. OCZ’s popular high performance memory modules, PSUs, and flash memory will continue to evolve ahead of the times and stay attuned to the needs of the industry. The outcome is a greatly differentiated range of OCZ and PCP&C solutions available worldwide that addresses the complete spectrum of applications.

“OCZ and PC Power & Cooling are both technology leaders that share a common passion for delivering premium solutions to consumers,” said Ryan Petersen, CEO of OCZ Technology Group. “By bringing these two established companies together we are able to leverage the strengths of each organization and accelerate the development of cutting edge products for a variety of markets. We believe that collectively OCZ and PC Power & Cooling will build on our combined heritage to revolutionize high end computing."

"As an expansion partner, I believe we have found in OCZ the ideal fit for the culture and approach of PC Power & Cooling," said Doug Dodson, founder and CEO of PCP&C. "In my new role as Chief Technology Officer, I will focus on maintaining PC Power's lead in proven ultra high-performance with the Turbo-Cool line, and in value and quiet computing with the Silencer line, as well as provide guidance for the continuing improvement of OCZ's power management solutions. I am excited about the improved accessibility of PC Power & Cooling products and I am confident that our rich tradition of reliability and innovation will continue to strengthen as a part of the OCZ Technology Group."

Building on a shared understanding and mutual enthusiasm for leading-edge computer technology, OCZ and PC Power & Cooling will seamlessly unify to represent the pinnacle of performance. Look for all of OCZ Technology Group's current and future products in its worldwide network of distributors, e-tailers, and retail stores.

About OCZ Technology Group, Inc.

OCZ Technology Group, a member of JEDEC, designs, develops and manufactures innovative, high-performance memory and computer components that set industry standards. OCZ products are the first choice for users needing high-reliability, ultra-high performance solutions. In May 2007, PC Power & Cooling was brought into the OCZ Technology Group, forming a partnership that places the organization at the forefront of high-end computing. All of OCZ Technology Group's products are available through its worldwide network of distributors, online resellers and retail stores. For more information visit our website at http://www.ocztechnology.com

About PC Power & Cooling

Over the last 22 years, PC Power & Cooling has produced many innovative computer products including: the first CPU cooler, the first PC heat alarm, the first independently-regulated PC power supply, the first redundant power system, the first NVIDIA® SLI™ certified supply, the first One Kilowatt computer power supply, and the first power supply with its own certified test report (Turbo-Cool 1KW). In May 2007, PC Power & Cooling was brought into the OCZ Technology Group, forming a partnership that places the combined organization at the forefront of the high-performance computing industry.

[jonnyGURU]

Check out: http://jonnyguru.com/news_details.php?id=270

[Oklahoma Wolf]

*waits for the announcement of the new OCZ FUDXtreme 1kW* ;)

Will be interesting to see what happens to the 3Y and/or Win-Tact units.

[Spectre]

Doug is about to start eating a lot of crow..........

[SKYMTL]

Check out: http://jonnyguru.com/news_details.php?id=270

That still isn't up on the home page. :D

[jonnyGURU]

You need to clear your cache or something. It is on the front page. That's where I clicked on "permalink" to give you the link I gave you. :D

[SKYMTL]

Nope, its there now...... :D

[jonnyGURU]

:rolleyes:

[Super Nade]

Posted on ocforums as well. These guys are expanding like crazy. I wonder if anybody with GameXStreams will be allowed to "step-up" at no cost. :)

So what happens to the original owner of PCP&C?

[Spectre]

Posted on ocforums as well. These guys are expanding like crazy. I wonder if anybody with GameXStreams will be allowed to "step-up" at no cost. :)

So what happens to the original owner of PCP&C?

It was a private company AFAIK so it is a simple buyout with Doug staying on at OCZ.

Now what happens to all of PC Power and Coolings magic blessed by the gods tooling installed in other companies factories...well who knows. MAybe the tooth fairy got it?

[Super Nade]

Hmm...I wonder what will happen to Win-Tact? Will they grow or would OCZ sever connections with them and go with Seasonic/FSP?

[Spectre]

Hmm...I wonder what will happen to Win-Tact? Will they grow or would OCZ sever connections with them and go with Seasonic/FSP?

I think Win-Tact will do ok. They are pretty good in other areas and probably could find other takers.

[GalvanizedYankee]

The drama will be long lasting and climax very satisfying with this event. *laughing....catches breath...more prolonged laughing*

All the suckie fanboies will be eating crow with Dodson. :D Care for seconds!

[ww2717]

This is a sad day. I guess they will no longer honor warranties on previous units that I had purchased before they became OCZ Power and Cooling. ( Just being sarcastic)

[Spectre]

This is a sad day. I guess they will no longer honor warranties on previous units that I had purchased before they became OCZ Power and Cooling.



Were did they say they weren't honoring warranties?

THen again its even sadder that the U.S. Army is going to be buying all of its new attack helicopters from CHINA.

WTF non-sequiter that is bizarrely wrong.

[jonnyGURU]

It was a private company AFAIK so it is a simple buyout with Doug staying on at OCZ.

OCZ or PC Power?

OCZ is public. As of a month ago. Probably so they could get the flwo to do this purchase.

Unfortunately, they're traded on the London Stock Exchange. Otherwise, I might have bought a hundred shares. :)

[Spectre]

OCZ or PC Power?

OCZ is public. As of a month ago. Probably so they could get the flwo to do this purchase.

Unfortunately, they're traded on the London Stock Exchange. Otherwise, I might have bought a hundred shares. :)


Nade asked about PC Power

[Super Nade]

Yep. I asked about PCP&C. Is this Doug guy an engineer or just marketing?

[alexk]

What's the point of buying PCP&C? OCZ could simply put all these $$$ into, say, letting Seasonic to design and manufacture the proper PSU to be sold under OCZ's brand...:confused: If OCZ simply wants to add in extra customers using those simple-minded PCP&C fanboys, then I doubt it will work - after reading this news, these mindless drones (fanboys) will probably try to find a different "quality" PSU "manufacturer" (and abandon OCZ and their PCP&C division alltogether) :D

[Spectre]

Yep. I asked about PCP&C. Is this Doug guy an engineer or just marketing?

The president/founder and a very inteteresting individual.

[Spectre]

Yep. I asked about PCP&C. Is this Doug guy an engineer or just marketing?

The president/founder and a very interesting individual.

[jonnyGURU]

Yep. I asked about PCP&C. Is this Doug guy an engineer or just marketing?

Doug was the owner of the company.

[JEDIYoda]

What's the point of buying PCP&C? OCZ could simply put all these $$$ into, say, letting Seasonic to design and manufacture the proper PSU to be sold under OCZ's brand...:confused: If OCZ simply wants to add in extra customers using those simple-minded PCP&C fanboys, then I doubt it will work - after reading this news, these mindless drones (fanboys) will probably try to find a different "quality" PSU "manufacturer" (and abandon OCZ and their PCP&C division alltogether) :D

Its been hashed and rehashed I am sorry but IMO your mistaken if you think that Seasonic designed the PC Power and Cooling PSU`s......
Sure they manufactured them but to PC Power & Cooling Specifications!! :)

[alexk]

if you think that Seasonic designed the PC Power and Cooling PSU`s......

I didn't say that :p I mentioned Seasonic as an example of a good OEM manufacturer.

[MrWicked1968]

I didn't say that :p I mentioned Seasonic as an example of a good OEM manufacturer.

you'll notice that Yoda didn't dispute your point about PC P&C fanbois being simple minded.

[madmat]

Not so much simple minded as single minded.

[jonnyGURU]

Well, he does have a point.

OCZ was looking for a "Design team" a few months back, wen't public last month and now has purchased PCP&C.

PCP&C has it's own design team, engineers, etc. So that problem is solved. It's really not too different from what Silver Stone has done for their Decathalon and Olympia product lines.

There's no telling where the PCP&C product line will go from here. Maybe nowhere. Does it need to, seriously? ;) But the OCZ product line is bound to improve on the next round of products. You have to admit, OCZ is a bit behind the curve right now. IMHO, you can only slap an OCZ label onto a FSP Epsilon so many times.

[madmat]

We've just received word from Jessica at OCZ that they have just acquired what is arguably the biggest brand in high-quality power supplies, PCP&C. This acquisition means a lot for them, most notably that they are really focusing on pushing out quality power supplies, not just memory. As it stands, their current PSU line-up will remain unchanged, but rather PCP&C will simply take the highest-end spot in their line-up.

As for PCP&C, nothing will happen with their power supplies. They will remain individual in the respect that they will keep doing what they are doing. However, with PCP&C in-house, it will benefit OCZ's future line-up, since the expertise will be available.

Congrats to OCZ for an amazing purchase. The next few months are going to prove mighty interesting!

So, Jon's pretty much spot on.

[Super Nade]

Wait, then how are Win-Tact's engineers involved here? This may look bad for Win-Tact if OCZ decide to pull the plug on them to cut costs. If they have the design team in place, why opt for an expensive OEM?

[jonnyGURU]

That doesn't change. They work as a team.

Trust me on this. I could drop names trying to explain how it works, but would probably get in trouble for it.

I seriously doubt anything at PCP&C or how PCP&C does things is going to change. PCP&C distribution is going to get better (OCZ's channels) and OCZ's product will likely get better (PCP&C's resources and experience) but I doubt anything will happen with PCP&C.

[Battle_Rattle]

What does this part mean, taken from the DailyTech article...

"In addition to combining current product lines, OCZ will make PC Power & Cooling's products available worldwide through its distribution channels, which includes Wal-Mart and Buy.com. Previously PCP&C's products were only available for sale in the U.S through its online store and a few retailers."

I understand branding... but I didn't think it would take an angle such as this...

http://www.dailytech.com/OCZ+Acquires+PC+Power++Cooling/article7448.htm

[JEDIYoda]

What does this part mean, taken from the DailyTech article...

"In addition to combining current product lines, OCZ will make PC Power & Cooling's products available worldwide through its distribution channels, which includes Wal-Mart and Buy.com. Previously PCP&C's products were only available for sale in the U.S through its online store and a few retailers."

I understand branding... but I didn't think it would take an angle such as this...

http://www.dailytech.com/OCZ+Acquires+PC+Power++Cooling/article7448.htm

So what exactly is wrong with that angle...

[JEDIYoda]

you'll notice that Yoda didn't dispute your point about PC P&C fanbois being simple minded.

actually there no sense disputing or attempting to discuss something where the other party has there mind already made up!!!

As madmat stated...
"Not so much simple minded as single minded."

Thats all I use is PC Power & Cooling PSU`s!!
But thats not all I recommend... my preference is PC Power & Cooling.
I sure hope you don`t have issues with those of us who use PC Power & Cooling PSU's.
We choose to live with what others call noise. Knowing full well we have a super reliable well built product!!

We all realize that PC Power & Cooling as a company spews forth a lot of FUD.
Yet the quality of their PSU`s has never been disputed.....

So we will see how Doug approaches his relationship with OCZ....

Sit back and grab a cold one.... :)

[ww2717]

Maybe Seasonic or Win-Tact
or both will be making all future OCZ/PC Power Cooling psu. Might we be seeing a modular 1KW unit in the future. Who knows? Thanks for the correction Jonny. Doesn't Wintech make commercial VSAT terminals?

[jonnyGURU]

Maybe Seasonic or Wintec...

You mean Win-Tact.

There's Win-Tact and Wintech, but they're two different companies.

[signmeuptoo]

This seems like it could be a good thing, but I have to wonder, who's design philosophy take over, or will OCZ still sells modulars under their name and not so under PCP&C. This will be interesting.

[Super Nade]

Hey this should be good news for Jon, instead of two, he is only on one s@#$ list. :D

[Spectre]

Wait, then how are Win-Tact's engineers involved here?

As far as I know the Turbocool's were mostly Win-tact even from the design side.

This may look bad for Win-Tact if OCZ decide to pull the plug on them to cut costs. If they have the design team in place, why opt for an expensive OEM?

Why indeed would PC Power and Cooling have been doing so for so long as a stand alone company if they had no need for the negineers, and design teams at Win-tact. 1+1=PC Power and Cooling doesn't have the manufacturering capability and doesn't have the amount of design capability they claimed to otherwise there would have been no need for WIn-tact. Being a private company that obfiscates everything it makes it a little difficult to know how many mirrors and how much smoke...but there are smoke and mirrors.

[Battle_Rattle]

So what exactly is wrong with that angle...

I understand it more now... seems very sensible... Best wishes to all!

[JEDIYoda]

This seems like it could be a good thing, but I have to wonder, who's design philosophy take over, or will OCZ still sells modulars under their name and not so under PCP&C. This will be interesting.

Actually I thought a while back when PC Power & Cooling gave exclusive authorization to Performance PC to make their PSU`s modular that perhaps Doug had changed his tune concerning modular power supplies!!

Only time will tell!!

[C'DaleRider]

Actually I thought a while back when PC Power & Cooling gave exclusive authorization to Performance PC to make their PSU`s modular that perhaps Doug had changed his tune concerning modular power supplies!!

Only time will tell!!


When I saw PCP&C letting Performance PC's modularize their power supplies AND keeping the warranty intact, that in my mind exposed the utter hypocrisy that PCP&C has in their "Myths exposed" page. If modular is so bad, why on earth allow anyone to do such a thing to their power supplies, much less keep the warranty intact, esp. when it's a third party doing the work?

On a side note......I've always wondered about PCP&C's failure rate. I only bring that up due to the fact that when I called 6 months ago about a specific power supply, the sales lady told me they had no new ones in stock----but would in a week or two---but they had plenty of refurb'd ones of the same ps.

And, when you go on their website, they have LOTS of refurb'd power supplies of almost every ilk for sale at substantially reduced prices as compared to new ones. And their refurb stock never seems to go out of stock....always have them around. Need a 750 Quad....it's there, refurb'd. 610 Silencer? Got 'em....refurb'd. Looking for the 1KW? It's available as a refurb.

So, why so many refurb power supplies? Always wondered about that.....bad paint jobs? Returns from Fry's and MicroCenter? What gives?

[madmat]

Probably returns due to noise or buyer's remorse I'd wager.

[JEDIYoda]

When I saw PCP&C letting Performance PC's modularize their power supplies AND keeping the warranty intact, that in my mind exposed the utter hypocrisy that PCP&C has in their "Myths exposed" page. If modular is so bad, why on earth allow anyone to do such a thing to their power supplies, much less keep the warranty intact, esp. when it's a third party doing the work?

On a side note......I've always wondered about PCP&C's failure rate. I only bring that up due to the fact that when I called 6 months ago about a specific power supply, the sales lady told me they had no new ones in stock----but would in a week or two---but they had plenty of refurb'd ones of the same ps.

And, when you go on their website, they have LOTS of refurb'd power supplies of almost every ilk for sale at substantially reduced prices as compared to new ones. And their refurb stock never seems to go out of stock....always have them around. Need a 750 Quad....it's there, refurb'd. 610 Silencer? Got 'em....refurb'd. Looking for the 1KW? It's available as a refurb.

So, why so many refurb power supplies? Always wondered about that.....bad paint jobs? Returns from Fry's and MicroCenter? What gives?

I never have ever wondered about that.....
I know several people who bought refurbished units when I bought my first new Turbo Cool 510 a few years ago and there refurbs are still running day in and day out and a few of them have bought new units for other computers since.

Yet you can take another side of your observation and say why do other companies not offer refurb`s??? Most companies just iether shit can what`s sent back or tear them apart and use the parts on new PSU`s I guess....

I am sure PC Power & Cooling doesn`t send there refurb`s back to seasonic....for "rerfubishing"....


Yet we can take this another step....as madmat stated--"Probably returns due to noise or buyer's remorse I'd wager."

I for one would like to know how many PSU`s that are returned to other companies for even say buyers remourse or noise issues are resold as 100% totally new unused units....


hmmmm...things that make you go hmmmmm

[C'DaleRider]

I never have ever wondered about that.....
I know several people who bought refurbished units when I bought my first new Turbo Cool 510 a few years ago and there refurbs are still running day in and day out and a few of them have bought new units for other computers since.

Yet you can take another side of your observation and say why do other companies not offer refurb`s??? Most companies just iether shit can what`s sent back or tear them apart and use the parts on new PSU`s I guess....

I am sure PC Power & Cooling doesn`t send there refurb`s back to seasonic....for "rerfubishing"....


Yet we can take this another step....as madmat stated--"Probably returns due to noise or buyer's remorse I'd wager."

I for one would like to know how many PSU`s that are returned to other companies for even say buyers remourse or noise issues are resold as 100% totally new unused units....


hmmmm...things that make you go hmmmmm


So, if there was a problem with one of the power supplies, where else would PCP&C send the malfunctioning unit for "refurbing" as PCP&C certainly cannot do a damned thing to fix it themselves, so I'd figure, depending upon model, they'd most certainly have to send it back to either Seasonic or Win=Tact for "refurbing". Since PCP&C has no production facilities of their own, how else would they fix one anyway?

Buyer's remorse, eh? Now that is one to make you go Hmmmmmm, as you put it. Is it the purchaser feels ripped off after getting it then finding out they spent half again as much as a comparable model from another company, that runs quieter than the PCP&C ps, and returns it?

So, maybe not so much buyer's remorse but buyer's sensibilities returning after purchase?

Things that make you go hmmmmmm............ :p

[JEDIYoda]

So, if there was a problem with one of the power supplies, where else would PCP&C send the malfunctioning unit for "refurbing" as PCP&C certainly cannot do a damned thing to fix it themselves, so I'd figure, depending upon model, they'd most certainly have to send it back to either Seasonic or Win=Tact for "refurbing". Since PCP&C has no production facilities of their own, how else would they fix one anyway?

Buyer's remorse, eh? Now that is one to make you go Hmmmmmm, as you put it. Is it the purchaser feels ripped off after getting it then finding out they spent half again as much as a comparable model from another company, that runs quieter than the PCP&C ps, and returns it?

So, maybe not so much buyer's remorse but buyer's sensibilities returning after purchase?

Things that make you go hmmmmmm............ :p

Actually your assumption that PC Power & Cooling cannot do a damn thing to fix it themselves is just not true.....you are assumming without any true knowledge that Seasonic or whoever does 100% of all the work for PC Power & Cooling.....notice I said 100% not 95% or 90%.......if individuals on these forums and others capn replace bad caps or even fans that go bad whats to keep a company like PC Power & Cooling from doing the same???

Please don`t assume......

[alexk]

Actually your assumption that PC Power & Cooling cannot do a damn thing to fix it themselves is just not true.....
You have an actual proof that it's not true? If yes - please share it. If not - then I don't see what's wrong with such assumption :p

[Spectre]

You have an actual proof that it's not true? If yes - please share it. If not - then I don't see what's wrong with such assumption :p

While a witty retort to an equally ill defensible position.....they do tack down their own wiring harness so they can do somethings ;)

[JEDIYoda]

ALEXk -- You have an actual proof that it's not true? If yes - please share it. If not - then I don't see what's wrong with such assumption
To which I guess I have every right to say the same thing and YES...I believe that what I said makes more sense than assuming they can do nothing except send back the PSU to Seasonic....

Until 100% proof is shown that PC Power & Cooling cannot do squat at there own facilities I stand by what I said...

The burden of proof is always on the person who makes the first assumption.....unless you happen to have some proof of your own that this persons statement was an accurate appraisal....

Have a nice day!!!

[alexk]

Lots of words

So you don't, then? :p That's a shame, I was really interested in knowing what PCP&C actually does in their US facilities :) I mean other than printing fancy reports using their "Chroma 8000 XL Xtreme Ultimate Supreme" random number-generating machine :p

[JEDIYoda]

So you don't, then? :p That's a shame, I was really interested in knowing what PCP&C actually does in their US facilities :) I mean other than printing fancy reports using their "Chroma 8000 XL Xtreme Ultimate Supreme" random number-generating machine :p

So lets see other than making fun of the brand you really have no idea what they do at there own factory do you?
A simple telephone call with answer all your questions....

Personally what I know is I have had no problems at all with the PC Power & Cooling PSU`s that I Own.....
I have been to the location in Carlsbad, California....

So since you can`t answer the assumption that C'DaleRider made whats your poinbt exactly? Other than to make fun od PC Power & Cooling...hmmm

[jonnyGURU]

"Chroma 8000 XL Xtreme Ultimate Supreme" random number-generating machine :p

Sorry... but that did make me LOL.

[GalvanizedYankee]

That is sig worthy. my tummy hurts...LOL

[Spectre]

I have been to the location in Carlsbad, California....


Pics or shens.

Since your on the in apparently while noone else is.....what ever happened to their testing program they were offering.

[madmat]

The reward if another PSU bested the SR?

[GPett]

If someone picked up PC Power & Cooling, wouldn't that make Enhance another PSU company that someone else would want to pick up? Seems Enhance has good quality PSUs but with no real distribution.

[Spectre]

If someone picked up PC Power & Cooling, wouldn't that make Enhance another PSU company that someone else would want to pick up? Seems Enhance has good quality PSUs but with no real distribution.

Enhance is an OEM they have a lot of partners SIlverPower, SIlverstone, Coolermaster, Xclio....etc.....

[C'DaleRider]

To which I guess I have every right to say the same thing and YES...I believe that what I said makes more sense than assuming they can do nothing except send back the PSU to Seasonic....

Until 100% proof is shown that PC Power & Cooling cannot do squat at there own facilities I stand by what I said...

The burden of proof is always on the person who makes the first assumption.....unless you happen to have some proof of your own that this persons statement was an accurate appraisal....

Have a nice day!!!

Well, then, let me pose this question. If PCP&C has a factory and they can do so much repair work and apparently, from you, much more with power supplies, why in the world are they sourcing all their power supply production from other OEM's?

It would make sense to me that a company would want to keep as much production in house as possible. Several reasons for that.....you get to keep production costs under tighter control instead of being at the mercy of a supplier who can claim, and they do, higher costs as time passes to produce said product.

Also, you get to keep your "engineering design secrets" of your product under tighter control instead of giving more access to your proprietary intellectual property by having to share it with your OEM source. The more hands the info passes through, the more chance it will leak...pure and simple.

And by keeping design and production completely in house, you reap more profits per unit sold as compared to buying all your units from a third party who takes profit per unit sold to the "relabeler"...in this case PCP&C.

It would seem to me to make more economic sense to do all your production in house.....you have total control over fixed and variable costs, inventory, are much more flexible in changing how a unit is built---instead of having to conference with the other company's design and engineering team....come up with a design change that can be instituted in the production process....then come up with a cost for the change----you can basically institute the change as you need, if you are the actual producer.

And there are more reasons a "manufacturer" would want to have as much under one roof, as it were, instead of being just a relabeler and/or be at the mercy of a supplier.

So, why doesn't PCP&C actually build their own units?

Just things that make you go Hmmmmmmmmm........


And please, don't misunderstand everything I say.......I do acknowledge that PCP&C power supplies are quite good......as evidenced by testing I've seen their power regulation and ripple control are great. I just really cannot stomach a lot of the FUD they spread and the nosebleed prices they try to command. Personally, I buy best-bang-for-the-buck most times, sometimes buy upper-endish when I want to splurge. But for the prices PCP&C charges for what they deliver, I'll save a some money and buy "damned near" as good for substantially less. I try not to buy by name just to impress.....besides, who are you going to impress with a power supply other than another geek? Well, if that floats your boat, great. Myself, I've got way too many other places my money can go instead of trying to be the uber geek with the uber toys......which, in most part, end up not amounting to much in actual performance.

Just IMHO.

:)

[alexk]

So lets see other than making fun of the brand you really have no idea what they do at there own factory do you?
Well, DUH, genius, that's why I asked teh question! :p


A simple telephone call with answer all your questions....

:confused: Are they gonna send me the pix/videos of their facilities through the phone call? :p



So since you can`t answer the assumption that C'DaleRider made
:confused: Huh? Why should I answer that assumption?



Other than to make fun of PC Power & Cooling
And what is wrong with that? :p

[GPett]

Enhance is an OEM they have a lot of partners SIlverPower, SIlverstone, Coolermaster, Xclio....etc.....


Ah I didn't know that. Who makes who's PSUs? I know Enhance is an OEM. Are there higher quality PSUs similar to the 80+ efficiency 400W and 500W offered by Enhance?

Those two PSUs seem like they are incredibly good from a price/performance perspective.

[jonnyGURU]

Ah I didn't know that. Who makes who's PSUs?

http://www.jonnyguru.com/SMPS_UL.htm

[burebista]

Interview: OCZ Reveals New PSU Market Strategy (http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/editorial/display/ocz-pcpc-interview.html) @XBitLabs

[JEDIYoda]

Nice article!! Thank You!!

[MC FLMJIG]

wats the symbol of ocz... ocz?:)

[Spectre]

Let the FUD backpedaling begin!

OCZ will continue to offer modular PSU’s, something that was requested by consumers. At the same time Doug will be continually working on ways to improve the performance of modular solutions, as he is in charge of the engineering of all our power management products. The approach will be to overcome any and all challenges, and provide the best solutions to a wider range of consumers. A modular PSU may not be for everyone, but for those who place a higher value on the ease of use and clean layout offered with modular design we will make sure to offer the best product possible.

The only party that will “win” is the consumer. We will offer both solutions split into the current lines of OCZ and PCP&C. Whether or not a 120-mm ever makes it to the PC Power & Cooling offering will depend on whether or not Doug can find a way to build one that satisfies all his requirements. Until then consumers have a choice between our two uniquely positioned product lines.

[Bun-Bun]

Well, then, let me pose this question. If PCP&C has a factory and they can do so much repair work and apparently, from you, much more with power supplies, why in the world are they sourcing all their power supply production from other OEM's?

It would make sense to me that a company would want to keep as much production in house as possible. Several reasons for that.....you get to keep production costs under tighter control instead of being at the mercy of a supplier who can claim, and they do, higher costs as time passes to produce said product.

Also, you get to keep your "engineering design secrets" of your product under tighter control instead of giving more access to your proprietary intellectual property by having to share it with your OEM source. The more hands the info passes through, the more chance it will leak...pure and simple.

And by keeping design and production completely in house, you reap more profits per unit sold as compared to buying all your units from a third party who takes profit per unit sold to the "relabeler"...in this case PCP&C.

It would seem to me to make more economic sense to do all your production in house.....you have total control over fixed and variable costs, inventory, are much more flexible in changing how a unit is built---instead of having to conference with the other company's design and engineering team....come up with a design change that can be instituted in the production process....then come up with a cost for the change----you can basically institute the change as you need, if you are the actual producer.

And there are more reasons a "manufacturer" would want to have as much under one roof, as it were, instead of being just a relabeler and/or be at the mercy of a supplier.

So, why doesn't PCP&C actually build their own units?

Just things that make you go Hmmmmmmmmm........


And please, don't misunderstand everything I say.......I do acknowledge that PCP&C power supplies are quite good......as evidenced by testing I've seen their power regulation and ripple control are great. I just really cannot stomach a lot of the FUD they spread and the nosebleed prices they try to command. Personally, I buy best-bang-for-the-buck most times, sometimes buy upper-endish when I want to splurge. But for the prices PCP&C charges for what they deliver, I'll save a some money and buy "damned near" as good for substantially less. I try not to buy by name just to impress.....besides, who are you going to impress with a power supply other than another geek? Well, if that floats your boat, great. Myself, I've got way too many other places my money can go instead of trying to be the uber geek with the uber toys......which, in most part, end up not amounting to much in actual performance.

Just IMHO.

:)

There are plenty of reasons to not do stuff in house... I don't feel like giving a lecture on manufacturing and QA so I am not going to. There is not always the capital to set stuff up in house. Lots of times it is plain economically unfeasible to do so despite the benefits. And it is possible to still keep company secrets and still out source parts. There are ways that do work very well.

But there are lots of reasons to out source things. 1 example is you plain do not have the facilities to do so. Like PCP&C may be able to make the PSU's themselves but maybe not on as large of a scale or to a certain tolerance they desire. So they do design and prototyping in house and get the mass production done elsewhere. They could also do there own QA in house based on the out sourced batches. Thus it would be possible to do repairs and reburbs in house. If that is how they do it but I really have no clue hwo they actually do it.

The above is of course fictional because I really don't know what goes on at PCP&C but am well trained in the processes of Manufacturing and QA and design... as that is the fields in which I work.

[Ripudio]

It doesn't really matter who you give your schematics (in theory) all someone has to do to copy your design is spend a couple hundred dollars to buy your product and they have everything they need to know. Sure it'll take a bit of time to figure out how to put it together properly/in the same fashion, but if you're a company trying to manufacture a power supply exactly like someone else's, you should be able to figure that out. Thats why patents exist.

Its not like Doug has a time machine and brought back futuristic technology just to make a superior PSU.....or is it