Radeon R600 is coming... no really... this time for sure.... [Archive]

jonnyGURU

04-18-2007, 09:33 PM

Yeah.. this might be all over the web now, but I wanted it all in one place on my site. :D

As per 04/07:

Features:

DX10 support
Built in HDMI
Fully integrated HDCP
Already Vista ready
65nm GPUThe top of the line R600 XT features:

750MHz GPU
512MB of DDR3, 512-bit interface
Over 100GB/sec peak memory memory bandwidth
Native Crossfire (no more special Crossfire cards)
Dual Link DVI w/ HDCP (up to 2560 x 1600 res)
Complete digital and analog HDTV output with 1080P HDMI, audio and component connectivity
Estimated sell price of UNDER $450RV630: 360 degree HD experience...

Kohinoor B101:

Full speed UVD (Blu-Ray and HD-DVD)
256 & 512MB versions, DDR4
< 75W power
Video In and Video Out
Native Crossfire (no more special Crossfire cards)
Dual Link DVI w/ HDCP (up to 2560 x 1600 res)Orloff B148:

Full speed UVD (Blu-Ray and HD-DVD)
256MB of DDR3
< 75W power
Native Crossfire (no more special Crossfire cards)
Dual Link DVI w/ HDCP (up to 2560 x 1600 res)Sefadu B149

Full speed UVD (Blu-Ray and HD-DVD)
256 & 512MB versions, DDR2
< 50W power
Native Crossfire (no more special Crossfire cards)
Dual Link DVI w/ HDCP (up to 2560 x 1600 res)RV610: Affordable fire power....

Full speed UVD (Blu-Ray and HD-DVD)
DVI w/ HDCP
Complete digital and analog HDTV output with 1080P HDMI (using adapter)
Passively cooled
Falcon B168 uses 256MB DDR3
Antelope B170 and B169 uses 128MB or 256MB of DDR2
Antelope B170 is low profileEnjoy!

PaulTa

04-19-2007, 02:20 AM

512 with 512 bit interface. Isn't that a better interface than the 8800GTX has right now? I like the pricing aspect. :D

Hutch

04-19-2007, 03:16 AM

8800GTX is 384-bit with 768mb DDR3. It's comparing apples an oranges though, means absolutely nothing.

6800GS/GT had a 256-bit with 256mb DDR3... 7600GT had a 128-bit interface with 256mb DDR3... the 7600GT was still faster...

Kab

04-19-2007, 03:19 AM

Hmm.. might want to hold back on this one as the news is changing daily. ;)

From what I know, the HD 2900XT is not the highest in the range but the highest releasing now. Possibly 14th May, max. power consumption rating of 230W, 80nm and at $399.

The rest looks no different.

And the HD 2900XTX is a may release... as 65nm, GDDR4 with faster clocks but at much higher price and in June ->> Computex I'm hearing.

I'm hearing that depends completely on the 8800 Ultra.

That's the latest I now as of today.

jonnyGURU

04-19-2007, 07:06 AM

What's funny about the whole 80nm vs. 65nm thing is this most recent slide made no mention of the 80nm and seemed to imply that ALL product was to use 65nm.

nicolasb

04-19-2007, 09:20 AM

And the HD 2900XTX is a may release... as 65nm, GDDR4 with faster clocks but at much higher price and in June ->> Computex I'm hearing.It is quite likely that there will be a 2900XTX product released in June and shown at Computex that will have 1GB of GDDR4 memory on board. It is (IMO) very unlikely that it will be based on a 65nm chip.

There is a good chance that the 65nm version of R600 will be with us "soon"; but "soon" is more likely to mean "August or September" than "June", IMO.

Kab

04-19-2007, 05:46 PM

There's all sorts of trash spinning around the online scene about this topic. It'll be very difficult to know of any fact before release. :rolleyes:

jonnyGURU

04-19-2007, 06:03 PM

There's all sorts of trash spinning around the online scene about this topic. It'll be very difficult to know of any fact before release. :rolleyes:

Well, my information actually comes from an ATI slide show dated last week.

A lot of the information we see on the web is rumor or second hand or speculation and is rarely backed with industry documentation.

That's all I've gotta say. ;)

Kab

04-19-2007, 10:56 PM

Well, my information actually comes from an ATI slide show dated last week.

A lot of the information we see on the web is rumor or second hand or speculation and is rarely backed with industry documentation.

That's all I've gotta say. ;)I understand. I also saw the slides where under one label of 65nm you saw all the three card series. ;)

Around 2/3 down, straight from the horses mouth:
http://www.pcgameshardware.de/?article_id=573129
http://www.bit-tech.net/news/2007/04/03/r600_fabbed_on_80nm_agp_parts_coming/

A little older:
http://www.fudzilla.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=333&Itemid=34
http://www.fudzilla.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=221&Itemid=34

This is what is causing the confusion:
http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=38837

Personally, don't ask me as I'm not an AMD worker and IDK :(

jonnyGURU

04-20-2007, 06:23 AM

Your first four links are older than my slides and the Inquirer link is around the same date. So it could be that the Inquirer got the same slides I have. :D

Kab

04-20-2007, 02:38 PM

Here, I've got some pics of the RV630-based HD 2600 XT from PCINLife (http://www.pcinlife.com/news/hardware/2007-04-12/1176317454d347.html).

These are the latest. The guy who shot them said the board uses 256MB of GDDR4. 65nm manufacturing process with a BIOS dated April 4th. Max power consumption is 80W or lower. No additional external power connectors unlike the nVIDIA 8600GTS with a single-slot cooler and the board is average size.

The fella ran some tests, and in one of the 1080P video tests, CPU utilization was lower than 5% on average. ;)

http://images5.pictiger.com/thumbs/23/9c1244de5e3e6907672a712349de1923.th.jpg (http://server5.pictiger.com/img/1082011/computer-games-and-screenshots/r630-hd-2600-xt.php) http://images5.pictiger.com/thumbs/da/a9037ae610540e05dada4e36a18ca6da.th.jpg (http://server5.pictiger.com/img/1082012/computer-games-and-screenshots/r-8--jpg-thumb.php) http://images5.pictiger.com/thumbs/50/6dadf16f808fdb0a4675abac6750f550.th.jpg (http://server5.pictiger.com/img/1082013/computer-games-and-screenshots/r-9--jpg-thumb.php) http://images5.pictiger.com/thumbs/7f/00bce6c8268fe1077a58fa413ca7647f.th.jpg (http://server5.pictiger.com/img/1082014/computer-games-and-screenshots/r-10--jpg-thumb.php) http://images5.pictiger.com/thumbs/34/ec485583d1d7c9c6eaf200f245529a34.th.jpg (http://server5.pictiger.com/img/1082015/computer-games-and-screenshots/r-11--jpg-thumb.php) http://images5.pictiger.com/thumbs/d6/325c7f42862c6feb255d248db772d5d6.th.jpg (http://server5.pictiger.com/img/1082016/computer-games-and-screenshots/r-12--jpg-thumb.php) http://images5.pictiger.com/thumbs/9c/fad528e3b4694a63a91743c695cf8b9c.th.jpg (http://server5.pictiger.com/img/1082017/computer-games-and-screenshots/r-13--jpg-thumb.php) http://images5.pictiger.com/thumbs/6c/f0d83ffb53606f5691ccfca50229556c.th.jpg (http://server5.pictiger.com/img/1082018/computer-games-and-screenshots/r-14--jpg-thumb.php)

PaulTa

04-21-2007, 04:04 AM

So the lower CPU utilization means that the card is getting the workload it was supposed to be getting, rather than the CPU carrying some of the slack... right?

That looks like the OEM version as well. Wowzers is that thing long.

Kab

04-21-2007, 01:23 PM

Talking about size, does this answer your question?

http://img64.imageshack.us/img64/1592/opencrossfirekh8.jpg

SKYMTL

04-21-2007, 07:52 PM

I believe those are R610 cards you have pictured there.

Terru

04-24-2007, 12:06 PM

what do you think is the best Mobo for one of these to run on? badaxe2? I think its only 8x/8x pci-e though, and that there guys might really benifit from x16

Merged threads? Thats some fast modding!

Just checked, seems like the Asus P5W DH would be the best current gen r600 mobo, no?

Kab

04-24-2007, 06:48 PM

Over at Daily Tech the guys have the R600 XT and XTX and said they have no embargo date so they've published pics and 2 separate benchmarks.

HD 2900 XT is to have 745MHz core clock, 8 channel 512-bit memory controller with 512MB GDDR3 @ 1.60GHz, 320 stream processors and the card length is 9.5 inches. Price expected to be $449 on par with the G80 GTS.

First one is here: http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=7043

HD 2900 XT benches better than the 8800GTS overall.

Second one is here: http://dailytech.com/Overclocking+the+R600/article7044.htm

HD 2900 XT overclocks high and benches to produce nearly the same performance as a 8800 GTX fully oc'd.

There are more benches being ran right now aswell as with the HD 2900 XTX Sven has hold of.

Rumors around the net are just so pathetic, they actually mention that the XTX will NOT make appearance till June or Q3, while these guys say the official mid-May (14th) launch will include the XT and XTX.

Remember, the XT is to compete with the G80 GTS. ;)

jonnyGURU

04-24-2007, 06:55 PM

nicolasb

04-25-2007, 08:06 AM

Just checked, seems like the Asus P5W DH would be the best current gen r600 mobo, no?Depends what yoiu mean by "best". I think you'd be unwise not to even consider the Intel BadAxe2. If, for example, you actually do want to add in 3 graphics cards, one of which is dedicated to physics calculations, the Asus board won't let you do that. The BadAxe2 is also surprisingly overclockable for a 975X board, and very stable.

The less coventional possibility would be the DFI LANPARTY UT ICFX3200-T2R/G (highly memorable name! :rolleyes: ). Based on the ATI RD600 chipset it performs a little slower than competing boards clock-for-clock, but it runs cool and is extremely overclockable (and has some nifty oc features, such as the ability to completely decouple the speed of the memory from the speed of the FSB). In gaming benchmarks it tends to to keep up fairly well with the competition, even on a clock-for-clock basis. Unlike the Intel board you can fit two dual-slot video cards and still have two free PCI slots. It has a fiendishly complicated BIOS, though - not for the faint-hearted.

jonnyGURU

04-25-2007, 10:15 AM

Depends what yoiu mean by "best". I think you'd be unwise not to even consider the Intel BadAxe2. If, for example, you actually do want to add in 3 graphics cards, one of which is dedicated to physics calculations, the Asus board won't let you do that. The BadAxe2 is also surprisingly overclockable for a 975X board, and very stable.

True. But remember, I didn't like how close the top two 16x slots were. Prevents adequate airflow to the card in slot 1 and prohibits the use of most GPU water blocks.

I like boards that give you two slots between the top two PCI-e's.

Terru

04-25-2007, 01:36 PM

I love the DFI boards layout, but I also like the P5W DH's features. Its kinda strange that we are debating over mobos with 2 year old chipsets though... I wonder what else Intel or others have in the works?

A third GPU would be neat, but most of us cannot even afford two, let alone three. WIth a quad core, a seperate GPU for physics does seem so effcient. That is unless you have a gallery of LCD's you want to run :p

Kab

04-26-2007, 01:58 AM

:wall: :fire:

OMG :(

Look at the specifications and benchmark comparison of the OEM 12inch HD 2900 XTX vs the HD 2900 XT and GeForce 8800 GTX:

http://www.dailytech.com/ATI+Radeon+HD+2900+XTX+Doomed+from+the+Start/article7052.htm

It got BEAT UP by the XT and GTX!! :wtf:

The fact that it has FASTER core/memory clocks with 1GB of GDDR4 and a 512-bit memory interface with that performance, means it really isn't anything special, UNLESS the release version has MUCH MUCH faster clocks, better drivers and some huge miracle.

Still, that is abysmal.

Kab

04-26-2007, 12:18 PM

We'll wait and see with this shall we.

I've had a chat with 2 of my friends at AMD since over 15 years now...

It could go either way. I'm expecting core/mem to be 845/2200 on release for the XTX, although insider rumor has had it since Feb. that the XTX will simply NOT release (its the ATI 5800), and possibly be moved over to the 65nm for release IF efficiency and performance numbers are better.... they have even said that ATI has scrapped it to release a Dual GPU version one month after the XT release and it's been in the works ever since December. Also better drivers not yet released until AFTER 10th May are supposed to come and on the SAME platform with high settings and an area that is gaming intensive, I expect it to AT LEAST beat the 8800 GTX.

I am very skeptic that ATI or anybody in that position would spend bombs in such a situation on a special hyped, extra extra delayed product release where they are fighting for survival and hugely under immediate debt, to give off a product that can't even beat the lower XT version, to OEMs/Vendors and yet it produced the teraflop performance we all know beforehand.

That, and the fact three other websites have given different figures. Figures that rival a 8800 Ultra not a 8800 GTX.

Something doesn't seem right.

*Notice that the 8800GTX was a HIGHLY overclocked vendor version running at 650/2000 ...

* AMD ATI Radeon HD 2900 XT (745 MHz core, 800 MHz GDDR3)
* AMD ATI Radeon HD 2900 XTX (750 MHz core, 1010 MHz GDDR4)
* NVIDIA GeForce 8800 GTX (650 MHz core, 1000 MHz GDDR3)

Hutch

04-26-2007, 04:40 PM

Give up AMD fanboys! The GTX tested was NOT highly overclocked, 650/2000 is what half of vendors are selling it at. Stock is 575/1800, so the clocks has nothing to do with it. Right now, The 3DMARK06 WR for a single card is over 19K with a GTX, I can guarantee you that the top 2900XTX won't even break 15K.

BTW Nvidia already has the Dual GPU version just about ready. AMD is talking about a big storm, only so they can make up some of the money right away that they've lost. Intel and Nvidia are ontop of their games.

And BTW, if vendors are selling it at those clocks, then it is STOCK. AMD doesn't allow vendors to overclock their cards, Nvidia does. If vendors are selling the cards at those speeds and are under warranty at those speeds, then it is a legitimate comparison. The GTX flat out crushed them, and the drivers for the AMD cards are official drivers that AMD released to the vendors for them to supply with the cards.

Like I've been saying for months, AMD's cards won't touch the GTX.

http://vr-zone.com/?i=4930

WHOAAAA

jonnyGURU

04-26-2007, 05:04 PM

Give up AMD fanboys!

Look who's being the fan boy. :p

I don't even use ATI, but I'll call them like I see them.

The ATI is still cheaper, supports 1080P HDMI, HDCP, and has Blu-Ray and HD-DVD support built in. Nvidia? They won't have any of that until G90.

3D Mark '06??? Please... doesn't even support DX10! :rolleyes:

Hutch

04-26-2007, 05:16 PM

The 8800 series supports 1080P and I HDMI... Hell a 7600GT supports it and the forceware drivers are much easier to use.

Blu-ray? Who the hell cares about blu-ray?!?!?!?!

ATI cheaper? The 8800GTS can be found for $324.99 and the 8800GTS 320MB can be found for $259.99!

Oh yea, and unlike ATI, the Nvidia cards have been availible since the fall! Where's ATI's cards?

Call me a fanboy, but I simply tell it like it is.

jonnyGURU

04-26-2007, 05:43 PM

The 8800 series supports 1080P and I HDMI... Hell a 7600GT supports it and the forceware drivers are much easier to use.

...

Call me a fanboy, but I simply tell it like it is.

No... you're telling it as it is as you perceive it.

G80 and 7600GT does not have built in 1080P and HDMI audio video output, built in HD audio controller. All of this is all fully integrated on the ATI card. There's a big difference between something being built in with native hardware support and "making something work" with substantial CPU and GPU overhead. And I noticed you didn't even mention the HDCP because you know a G80 can't do 2560 x 1600 no matter what.

Look, none of this makes a difference to me. I'm just playing devil's advocate and delivering the news. To some people, this might be important. And for SI's looking for a low cost, fully integrated HTPC solution, ATI is going to have the answer. To try to challenge that with a "the 3DM'06 scorez are 1ame pwnd raaaaaarrrr" is not being very objective.

Hutch

04-26-2007, 06:31 PM

http://www.fudzilla.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=703&Itemid=1

Nuff said.

Actually, the G80 Does 2560x1600 No problem. Hell, the 7950GX2 absolutely crapped on everything at the high of a resolution.

jonnyGURU

04-26-2007, 06:50 PM

Again... you're all about the benchmarks and that's not even what I'm talking about here.

Why don't you show me the links that tell me how G80 does 2560 x 1600 "no problem" or that 7950GX2 "crapped on everything" at that high of a resolution? Seriously. Learn me.

While you're at it, if you find that stuff about how G80 has built in HDMI audio/video support. Seriously. I might have missed it because I'm a busy guy and don't get a chance to read every article out there. But I can tell you that if it's out there I did miss it.

But enough about the benchmarks. I never brought up anything about R600's benchmarks or how it benchmarks against Nvidia. I post a feature list. Can we address that? Kab's the one that threw this thread into benchmark mode (I knew I could count on him for that. ;)) I never intended to even go there.

Kab

04-26-2007, 07:13 PM

I was VERY hesitant to get some initial testing into this thread. No one know what the Inq, FUD and DT are reknown for?

99% of all online shens!

Due mainly to reactive people.

I, do NOT care less about who what how. Give me a good product, better, lower the prices - thanks. That's why I have the G80 right now. :)

BTW, you may want to hold out on final conclusions already, as they are ONLY one set of low detail pre-release OEM card benchmarks, not retail release specs, nor final silicon, nor final drivers.

How do I know? Well, before replying I had the courtesy to phone up a long time friend of my dad's and email someone at Overc UK who has had the release sample card for a while now.

Going off that, you're in for a surprise. :p

Just compare the best vendor OC'd G80GTX (XFX XXX) and the X1950XTX benches freely available online to those in those two articles and see for yourself. ;)

Hutch

04-27-2007, 05:57 PM

Jonny - http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=2977&p=2

8500/8600 series has full H.264 Decode Acceleration.

jonnyGURU

04-27-2007, 06:07 PM

Very good! Date today too, I see. Nice timing. :D Kudo's to nVidia for that one.

Hutch

04-27-2007, 07:07 PM

Hehe anandtech has my back! I knew I had read something like that about the 8600 series but wasn't sure exactly what it was, as it's something that I wouldn't have any use for. I guess the 8600 series isn't all that bad afterall!

I have a feeling that nvidia is going to release a couple more cards, one atleast that will be the upgrade from the 7900/7950GT series using 256mbit memory bus.