SilverStone ST75F

[CAD4466HK]

It sucks that jG blew his up in the hotbox, but like jG said,
"It shoulden't of blown up" and I agree:)

So in the meantime while were waiting on the RMA on jG's Strider,
check this review out, it's no jonnyGURU review, but nobody's perfect:p http://www.neoseeker.com/resourcelink.html?rid=130824

[lordlegend]

What ever became of the Silverstone ST75F review? RMA ever come back or just not enough time to get it done? Just curious if the power supply was any good.

LL

[jonnyGURU]

I got the RMA replacement, but it lost it's place in my schedule and got bumped by the Trio and EvoStream. I'm going to try to get it finished up after Thanksgiving weekend.

[Super Nade]

They also have a ZF 750W right? Confusing nomenclature or maybe my brain is just fried ATM.:)

[jonnyGURU]

Yes. The ST75ZF is a Zeus and is built by Etasis and is not modular.

The ST75F is a Strider and is built by Enhance and is modular.

[Shift]

Yes. The ST75ZF is a Zeus and is built by Etasis and is not modular.

The ST75F is a Strider and is built by Enhance and is modular.

How much of a difference between the two? Or is it that Estasis is just better.

[jonnyGURU]

The Strider is good. But the Zeus is WAY better.

[jonnyGURU]

I've got the new ST75F on the bench now. Just finished the cold box tests and will do the hot box tests tonight. Hopefully, I'll be able to write the review and have it live Monday.

[CAD4466HK]

I've got the new ST75F on the bench now. Just finished the cold box tests and will do the hot box tests tonight. Hopefully, I'll be able to write the review and have it live Monday.

So, did this one live or die like it's brother:p

[GalvanizedYankee]

I called the OEM after the failure of the first hot box test... He seemed a bit upset and indicated that the sensor for thermal shut down would be relocated in future production.

Looking forward to your review jonny.

[procreate]

i too am curious about this test after reading the st75zf review, then getting excited finding this one thats modular [even the mains?!?] and then not as excited after seeing "The Strider is good. But the Zeus is WAY better." and seeing how it blew up on the hot box test...

however, the zeus with the 80mm fan seems like it is going to be louder [yes, i am after as quiet of everything as possible, trying to build a super quiet audio workstation [no, not for gaming here] and the lack of wrapping on the cables on the zeus.... whats that all about at the company? isnt it WAY easier to wrap the cables BEFORE they put the connectors on?

i ALMOST placed the order for this PSU until i saw this thread... guess i will have to wait until monday? to see the results and weigh the differences.

our two top contenters are this one [or the 75zf] and the thermaltake 750.

[Bbq]

The Zeus with the 80mm fan will be a bit louder. Not quite ear splitting delta roaring house destroying decapitating castration loud, but a bit louder. Below full load, you shouldn't have a problem.

Silverstone, from what I know, is more concerned about the actual power output than the bling. Chrome casings? uv molexes? led's? fan grilles? what are those?

Go with the 75ZF.

[procreate]

yeah, not a lot of stuff i care about [bling]... i really just care about nice clean consistant power and a quiet PSU. although i will have to come up with a solution for those unsleeved wires on it... i do want the case to have great wire management.

[killnine]

I, for one, am interested in the modular model because I have a P180B and its just WAY too complicated to do it with a non-modular PSU. This is especially true for high output non-modular power supplies, as they typically have even more connectors for enthusiast systems.

[GalvanizedYankee]

procreate, go to Pep-Boys and buy some of that spiral sleeving ricers use under the hood. It comes in all kinds of crazy colors as well as chrome.
Test the chrome for conductivity, I doubt it is but test to be sure. There is a stickied thread in the Cases & Cooling Forum over at AnandTech dot com about wiring work. You will benefit from reading it...Betcha! :)

killnine, the P180 was made to be a quiet case and as such came w/o a noise transmitting window. Just route the wiring out of the cooling air stream and call it a day. A few zip-ties along with some stick-on mounts for them will make easy work of it. A presentable job is all a windowless case needs. :cool:

[Bbq]

Actually, Pleixglass / lexan / other is a very effective noise stopper.

The only thing I can recommend for the p180, is the removal of the lower chamber fan. it's just not needed. Run the unused cables under the power supply, and the used ones (the atx, the p4/ssi, the sata, the molexes, seperate how many you need) keep them in a seperate bundle. Run the atx and p4 from the rear of the divider plate, and the molexes through the front of the plate, and the hard drives in the lower chamber.

it works so much better that way.

[GalvanizedYankee]

Actually, Pleixglass / lexan / other is a very effective noise stopper.

Excuse me :p The stock side panels of the P180 are three layer laminated jobs and I don't think plexi will even get close to the same noise damping ability. :cool:

What kind of user buys a P180 and wants a window anywho?? Yes I've seen the request posted on other forums and avoid those threads :D

[jonnyGURU]

Hopefully I'll get the review up this weekend.

The second unit didn't blow up. But I didn't like the way it acted fully loaded. It's a good alternative to the ST60F if the price is right, but it just lacks that "solid" performance.

It seems to me that the other PSU did blow up because of more than one failure:

1. As GY pointed out, the thermal shut off should have shut down the PSU.

2. The fan controller was obviously borked. When the second PSU reached 50C, the fan spun up to an RPM that actually dropped the case's ambient temps another 2C. THAT is what's supposed to happen. I can't recall the fan in the first unit spinning up much at all.

[Bbq]

Excuse me :p The stock side panels of the P180 are three layer laminated jobs and I don't think plexi will even get close to the same noise damping ability. :cool:

What kind of user buys a P180 and wants a window anywho?? Yes I've seen the request posted on other forums and avoid those threads :D

I know, i have a p180. :lol: Plexi isn't as good as the triple layer alu/plastic, but plexi works better than a lot of other materials.

Of course, I would never want a p180 window, and even if I did, it wouldn't show the entire side panel, with the crappy wiring down below, cardboard, and electrical tape.

[CAD4466HK]

I thought the bottom of my P180 was bad, with all the aluminum foil and
duct tape:lol:

[Bbq]

I guess you haven't seen the bottom of My p180. It has wires everywhere, duct tape, a card board duct, aluminum roofing tape, zip ties.. it's like a crappy oem build, but done by me !

[CAD4466HK]

AAAAHHHHH the roofing tape!!! great idea:p :beer:

[Bbq]

It's to seal off the holes so the air only goes through the power supply.

I have it on all the holes that I don't want too, like the upper chamber gpu vent part. it's amazingly effective.

[CAD4466HK]

I know, I did the same thing with the duct tape and the foil, but the roofing tape is better:D

[killnine]

In the defense of a P180 window, I for one think that by doing it yourself you could get a quality window that lets you show off your awesome hardware. Yes, I sorta got a P180 for its "silent" nature, but moreso I got the P180 because it was a quality case that didn't scream out "WTFOMGBRBKTHXBYEBBQ!" with freakin' LEDs and ridiculous faux-metal plating everywhere.

Not to mention, with a little forethought, I believe the P180 can have awesome cable management, and allocate heat-creating parts into separate partitions. This, again with some forethought, can offer a cooler case design.

Given that I have a good amont of expensive hardware, including a watercooling loop, I would like to show it off a little bit. However, I want to do it in a reserved, classy way.

Frankly, its a shame no one but performance-pcs has come forward with a window solution for the P180. I really think you could offer a number of solutions, one being a typical, huge case window. Or, as an alternative, a window of just the main compartment to show off the goods. The latter of which would offer as much of the original sound-dampening material as possible.

Whatever, if you don't agree with it, fine. However, my P180 exploits are also the reason for being involved in this forum and the constant review-checking.

I am sort of going off on a rant now. What I want to say is, thankyou Jonnyguru for the reviews, they are awesome. Antects P180 is also awesome. I can't wait for the results of the new Silverstone ST75F

[GalvanizedYankee]

killnine, from reading threads on other forums over the last 18 months, I am up to my eye-balls with P180 broken doors, seperated side panels and PSU cable length/routing issues. I looked one over at Fry's for 20 minuets and was not that impressed.
The P180 came out and it was like all other cases ceased to exist for almost 8 months. Them four months later all the issues started to surface. *shakes head*

We have two Lian Li mid-towers and a SkyHawk here. I've built using Antec SLK 3000, several Kingwin and some recycled server cases.

I'm happy you're happy with the P180 but I WILL be the first to point out several of it's faults. :p

[CAD4466HK]

killnine, from reading threads on other forums over the last 18 months, I am up to my eye-balls with P180 broken doors, seperated side panels and PSU cable length/routing issues. I looked one over at Fry's for 20 minuets and was not that impressed.
The P180 came out and it was like all other cases ceased to exist for almost 8 months. Them four months later all the issues started to surface. *shakes head*

We have two Lian Li mid-towers and a SkyHawk here. I've built using Antec SLK 3000, several Kingwin and some recycled server cases.

I'm happy you're happy with the P180 but I WILL be the first to point out several of it's faults. :p

I agree 100%:p
I broke the cheap ass clips on both doors the day I got it from CompUSA
paid $200, a month after it was out:eek: :crazy: :wall:

The front door{hell, all the doors}are so warped and ill fitting now, that sound
is not an issue, but I still have case temps that are so low that nothing else I have will match it:p

On another note, the 900 looks pretty tight;)

JG, where's that Strider at:confused:

[Super Nade]

The Antec900 has been good to me thus far. No dodgy panels or screws. :)

[CAD4466HK]

I might be looking into one of those soon:)

[Bbq]

I guess I'm the only one with not so many issues with a p180? I had the original warping door, so I called antec, they overnighted me a new one. The new ones have crappy door magnets, so I gutted the old one of the magnet. Everything else seems to be fine. Just make sure everything aligns first, slide it slowly, then when you're sure it's in, then slide it and lock it.

CAD, the inside of the door on yours is plastic? If so, just call antec, they'll hook you up.

[Spectre]

I still buy Coolermaster Cavaliers and Centurion 5's or Silverstone cases for all my builds. Love them to death.

[procreate]

those p180s that bad?

[Bbq]

They aren't that bad. Best case I ever used. Definatly NOT for the OCD or the person who takes apart their computer every day for fun.

Spectre, I still have my cavalier. great case, but i can't seem to get the hard drive cage back in cause I removed it.

[GalvanizedYankee]

those p180s that bad?

Oh! They weigh 14.5 kilos empty, that's heavy. SPCR helped design this case and did a good job of it for the silence freak but Antec $queezed production costs. SPCR has several reviews of this case, one a full build. A must read for any new builder using this model of Antec.
Broken door hinges and seperated panels are a real event with the P180. Antec does/will ship out replacement parts w/o question :p

[killnine]

Yeah, I understand that there are definitely some issues with the P180. As with any case, its not for everyone. But I think there are a lot of people who dont give credit where credit is due. And also, I think it says a lot about Antec as a company (whether their product has a fault or not) that they will ship out new parts to you with no hassle.

Maybe I will get another Lian-Li later, they are awesome and I have had great experiences with them, but I couldnt pass up a brand new P180B for 70 bucks. I mean, honestly, flawed or not, thats a great deal.


Now where is the review that got this whole freakin' thread started?

[GalvanizedYankee]

jonny should have his review of the ST75F posted soon. Then the real discussion can begin. This review at the top of the page is just an over view.
Sorry for the thread hi-jack :)

[jonnyGURU]

Review is now live:

http://www.jonnyguru.com/review_details.php?id=43

Discuss here:

http://www.jonnyguru.com/forums/showthread.php?t=562