bsod problems with x1900xt and new psu

[riiaku]

i just bought a brand new psu and installed it its a silverstone 850 watt, and im still haveing the same problem i had with my last system is now plaguing my new one, its the same bsod error, 0x005 and its annoying, somtimes the computer starts up and it says ntldr not found or something press ctrl alt del to restart, and its the same problem as my last system, so i dont know how this problem could have carried over to my new one. could it be a virus? should i just do a low level formatting, wipe it down to the zeros or what? cause im going crazy i cant play some of my games withouta bsod, ati3duag.dll, my last system was a nvidia card but same error code, so what could it be?

2 HDs raid 0, asus p5w dh deluxe, E6400 core 2, ocz plat rev 2 pc6400 2 gigs, 2 dvd drives, 2x 120mm fans, 2x 80mm fans, upgrading to creative xfi fatalyty, cooler master stacker case, 2x 17" LCDs, soon upgradeing to a 32" LCD tv to use as computer monitor, saitek eclipse, and logitech mx1000, all hooked up to a denon avr 2805 receiver, with energy, jbl, and infinity 5.1 sound system hooked up.

[burebista]

Did you ran a memtest86 (http://www.memtest86.com/#download0) or/and HCI Design Memtest (http://hcidesign.com/memtest/)?
BTW for your system at stock speeds a brand 400-430W PSU is enough.

[riiaku]

great, people in other forums were telling me i need a 750 watt or an 850 watt, sooo much hype, well if i ever decide to run crossfire and overclock my cpu ill definitly need more power, plus ill be running my computer as a tivo box htpc so ill need to get a 500 gig HD from WD and also one more hitach 160 gig for a raid 5. also im gonna replace the 2 120mm fans with panaflows and get another 120mm and a 80mm panaflo, and also get a new heatsink with 120mm fan, and an artic cooling acclero so i can make my system well cooled and quiet, also im gonna be getting a xfi so is that good?

I ran a windows memory diagnostic for like 20 min and it ran fine.

[burebista]

...well if i ever decide to run crossfire and overclock my cpu ill definitly need more power...
Agree, but still a long way till 850W. :)
Anyway, I'd say that it's not a PSU problem here. Did you do a fresh install with format?
Try Check/reseat/change SATA cable.
What software do you have installed? A Norton something by chance?
Try to load defaults in BIOS (especially memory timings if they're changed).
Oh, and post entire BSOD code here.

[jonnyGURU]

Well, you know it's not a PSU problem because:

1. You have way more power than you need.
2. It's the EXACT same problem, same error message as the last PSU you had.
3. You're getting an NTLDR error on boot up when GPU load in next to nothing, which means your problem probably has nothing to do with either the video card or power supply.

List ALL system specs.

I realize your memory passed a memtest, but I've had bad RAM pass memtest. If you have two sticks, try one stick at a time.

[MrWicked1968]

are you trying to use the same OS install on your new system?

[jonnyGURU]

are you trying to use the same OS install on your new system?

I know what you're thinking, but I think when that happens you get an NTLDR error that NEVER goes away. At least he can get past it eventually.

But that does give me an idea... you have more than one drive in there. Take out the non-boot drive.

Not sure why you listed what you're planning on upgrading to because it doesn't help address your current issue, but if anything in your list of goodies is non-essential (physics cards, add-in sound cards, tuner card, etc.) then you need to remove them too.

The best medicine for troubleshooting is a process of elimination.

[Super Nade]

Question:

Your Windoze is probably FUBAR. Did you try a repair-install or a fresh install. To isolate the problem (i.e software v/s hardware), I'd suggest reinstalling Windoze on a fresh small cheapo IDE HDD and see if you can replicate the problem. At this point, there are just too many variables and nobody knows what kind of a system you are running. How did you un-install the older drivers? Did you use driver cleaner to wipe out lingering traces in the registry?

I believe you may have a software issue here.

[riiaku]

Question:

Your Windoze is probably FUBAR. Did you try a repair-install or a fresh install. To isolate the problem (i.e software v/s hardware), I'd suggest reinstalling Windoze on a fresh small cheapo IDE HDD and see if you can replicate the problem. At this point, there are just too many variables and nobody knows what kind of a system you are running. How did you un-install the older drivers? Did you use driver cleaner to wipe out lingering traces in the registry?

I believe you may have a software issue here.

I have windows xp pro, i did a format and fresh install, i installed 6.10 beta catalyst drivers and ive tried other drivers too, iv also used ati catalyst 6.9 and 6.7 no go. ive done the correct way to uninstall it, i used driver cleaner pro etc... i just ram memtest for 14 hours straight with no errors, i get the error 0x007e and 0x0050 and always ati3duag.dll. b4 i installed the new psu i got these "windows just encountered a serious error" messages about 10 times in a row when i reboot sometimes and sometimes i get it only 3 times, but not everytime i reboot i get those messages just sometimes. i have bit defender 10 pro and zonealarm and a linksys router. I have cable internet. I have onboard audio on right now and after i installed the psu my logitech mx1000 has been acting up, its not working for a couple seconds it would move side ways or just stop moving and then i would get back full control. also after installed the new psu i got that ntldr error and i got a new error about overvoltage failure, and overclocking failure yet i dont overclock and i dont overvolt. this is driving me nuts, whats going on its getting worse. i tried different memory timings and even the loosest ones and still same problem. my system specs are at the top.

edit: everest is telling me that my 12v rail is running at 12.37-12.40 and my 5v rail is 5.17-5.20 and my 3.3v rail is 3.38-3.39 my previous psu was running the 12v rail up to 12.52v and below. my everest is wrong i dont know but i thought this would be some good info to help out. also i heard from another forum to replace the ati3duag.dll from the driver package back in the install directory and it will work. should i do that?

EDIT2: recently i just replaced my video card because i thought that was the problem apparently it wasnt, i get the same error. so what can it be? ill test each ram stick seperately tonight. so if its not the ram, the video card, the psu, what could it be? a friend of mine thinks its a virus that needs to be deleted throught one of those wipes that wipe the drive down to the 0s, he also thinks it could be the SATA cable, I use the molex power plugs instead of the sata power plugs for my hard drives does that make a difference?

[Oklahoma Wolf]

Just thought I'd mention - I've gotten these problems from bad hard drive cables. Also had one board that refused to detect hard drives properly that tossed out the missing ntldr message until I realized it was trying to use CHS translation on a 200gb Maxtor. But more recently I had this happen with an Abit Hotrod card that got zapped by static - worked fine at first, then the system got unstable, then bluescreens, then the install would completely hose itself.

So, my thoughts are cabling or motherboard. Maybe the hard drive with the XP install itself.

[riiaku]

good thinking, ill try that now, ill replace the cable and try a game, if not thebn ill reformat and install winxp sound good?

EDIT: what about my mouse, whats happening with that? could it also be cable related?

[Oklahoma Wolf]

It's something to try... good luck :)

[Tazz]

If the OS is bugging out like you say it could very easily be causing the mouses issues to.

[riiaku]

omg , my computer went completely nuts, random beeping error sounds, the mouse was being controlled by itself, the menu system for the webbrowser and the setpoint was choosing items all by itself, the menus were flashing instantenously back and forth and i coudlnt select anything it kept reverting back, it went completely nuts, iv never seen this happen, my friend thinks someone put a trojan in the computer and is screwing with me, because when i described the symptoms he said thats someone controlling my mouse and keyboard, programs were starting up by themselves, and the mouse was being controlled, and keyboard too, the menutiems kept popping up, it wouldnt let me type correctly, i would try and type something and it would type backwards, it was weird. so what do you think it is?

[Super Nade]

Dude, you have almost the exact same system as I do. The mouse-USB problems were BIOS issues in my case. BIOS 14XX is crap. Switch back to 1305 if you have not done so already. Some of the things I faced were, mouse lag when gaming, horrible wireless performance (frequent dropped packets), occasional cold reboots and XP would NEVER fully shut down.

Other questions:
VCore=?
VMCH=?
VChipset=?
fsb=?
vddr2=?

[riiaku]

Dude, you have almost the exact same system as I do. The mouse-USB problems were BIOS issues in my case. BIOS 14XX is crap. Switch back to 1305 if you have not done so already. Some of the things I faced were, mouse lag when gaming, horrible wireless performance (frequent dropped packets), occasional cold reboots and XP would NEVER fully shut down.

Other questions:
VCore=?
VMCH=?
VChipset=?
fsb=?
vddr2=?

but dude the problems with the games were the same when i had the previous bios version, and plus little pictures of a stick figure man are poppping up on my desktop and then disappearing, explain that? all my settings are at auto except the ram is set to ddr800, 5-5-5-15 and the ddr2 voltage is at 2.0.

EDIT: IS it me or does asus really suck now, MSI is awesome and DFI too, but asus really sucks nowadays, i keep hearing foxconn and abit are doing good. AND NO I WAS NOT HIGH WHILE DOING THIS, I DID NOT TAKE ANY HALUCINOGENS, AND IM NOT CRAZY. But my mouse went kind of crazy again and then i saw these stick figures pop up on my desktop, that was really FUKIN WEIRD!!!!!!!

[madmat]

That's odd, I'd suggest a low level format and reload. Also running memtest in windblows is a no-no. Use memtest86+ and use the bootable live CD version. When you test memory in windblows the addresses on the physical ram in use in windblows and other apps cannot be tested so if it has errors on those addresses you won't know it.

[riiaku]

That's odd, I'd suggest a low level format and reload. Also running memtest in windblows is a no-no. Use memtest86+ and use the bootable live CD version. When you test memory in windblows the addresses on the physical ram in use in windblows and other apps cannot be tested so if it has errors on those addresses you won't know it.

i used memtest86 live cd version. what software would you recommend to do the low level format? and i just reverted my bios back to the old version and im still getting the same problem with my mouse

i want to erase it down to the zeroes. what software?

[CAD4466HK]

i used memtest86 live cd version. what software would you recommend to do the low level format? and i just reverted my bios back to the old version and im still getting the same problem with my mouse

i want to erase it down to the zeroes. what software?

W98 Start up disc/FDISK

[madmat]

The diagnostic software for your particular drives will perform this for you, just go to the site for whatever MFG your drives are and download their drive software.

[riiaku]

low level format erases to the zeros? i downloaded the software, im going to format now. will reply tomorrow with results if i can. 2x hitachi 160 gigs.

heres the bsod error i get:
Page fault in nonpaged area
STOP: 0x00000050(0xE6C82E50, 0x00000001, 0xBFB4D4A3, 0x00000002)
ATI3duag.dll - Address BFB4D4A3 base at BFAA5000 Datastamp 4519d53c


also to note: the mouse ps/2 port that i have it plugged into fell out the other day when i was installing my wireless gamepad, while the computer was still on, so could that screw up the mouse?

[madmat]

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/329293

And yes, unpluging a PS2 mouse can screw up either the PS2 controller on the mobo, screw up the mouse or both.

[riiaku]

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/329293

And yes, unpluging a PS2 mouse can screw up either the PS2 controller on the mobo, screw up the mouse or both.

should i do the low level format or the try and solve the problem first by the link you gave me?

[madmat]

Try a USB mouse and try another driver. If that fails format and reinstall.

[CAD4466HK]

low level format erases to the zeros? i downloaded the software, im going to format now. will reply tomorrow with results if i can. 2x hitachi 160 gigs.

heres the bsod error i get:
Page fault in nonpaged area
STOP: 0x00000050(0xE6C82E50, 0x00000001, 0xBFB4D4A3, 0x00000002)
ATI3duag.dll - Address BFB4D4A3 base at BFAA5000 Datastamp 4519d53c


also to note: the mouse ps/2 port that i have it plugged into fell out the other day when i was installing my wireless gamepad, while the computer was still on, so could that screw up the mouse?

Sounds like a memory BSod,possible CPU
memtest will still pass bad ram as you may well know

[madmat]

That's why you need to run memtest for several hours...

[CAD4466HK]

That's why you need to run memtest for several hours...

24hr min
The OP did it for what,14hr?

[madmat]

As far as I can determine 20 minutes...

Edit: Ok, yeah I missed that before.

[CAD4466HK]

As far as I can determine 20 minutes...

Edit: Ok, yeah I missed that before.

I've seen that BSoD too many times to count,on my own rigs:D
It was at least 90% of the time being bad ram.

That other crazy shit with the stick figure,lol
sounds like some nasty spyware needs to be exorsied:p

Head towards the light laura-ann:p

[riiaku]

As far as I can determine 20 minutes...

Edit: Ok, yeah I missed that before.

i ran it for 14 hours last night, so a minimum of 24 hours you say? should i run them separately or together? i just performed that uninstall thingy that guy gave me for the microsoft link, im gonan try a game now. i plugged my mouse into a usb slot cause it has a detachable ps/2 and usb connector so it works, no more mouse problems. but im gonna see if my games work, if not ill run the 24 hour diagnostic and then try it if not after that im formatting low level, what do you think? what should i do first?

[madmat]

Use the bootable version of memtest, not the windows based one. That way only a few K (like 100 or so) of ram are in use and all the rest can be tested.

[CAD4466HK]

i ran it for 14 hours last night, so a minimum of 24 hours you say? should i run them separately or together? i just performed that uninstall thingy that guy gave me for the microsoft link, im gonan try a game now. i plugged my mouse into a usb slot cause it has a detachable ps/2 and usb connector so it works, no more mouse problems. but im gonna see if my games work, if not ill run the 24 hour diagnostic and then try it if not after that im formatting low level, what do you think? what should i do first?

memtest-24hrs

[CAD4466HK]

Use the bootable version of memtest, not the windows based one. That way only a few K (like 100 or so) of ram are in use and all the rest can be tested.

:D What he said,you beat me to it:D

[Super Nade]

but dude the problems with the games were the same when i had the previous bios version, and plus little pictures of a stick figure man are poppping up on my desktop and then disappearing, explain that? all my settings are at auto except the ram is set to ddr800, 5-5-5-15 and the ddr2 voltage is at 2.0.
Spyware?

EDIT: IS it me or does asus really suck now, MSI is awesome and DFI too, but asus really sucks nowadays, i keep hearing foxconn and abit are doing good. AND NO I WAS NOT HIGH WHILE DOING THIS, I DID NOT TAKE ANY HALUCINOGENS, AND IM NOT CRAZY. But my mouse went kind of crazy again and then i saw these stick figures pop up on my desktop, that was really FUKIN WEIRD!!!!!!!
Before you say ASUS is teh sux, why don't you tell me what BIOS version you are using. Flash to 1305.Did you even try this? How about trying a few manual settings? These are mine (back yours off as you please):
BIOS 1305
VCore= 1.425 V
FSB= 401 (uses a looser strap)
Multi =8
VMCH,VCHipset= Max values
VDDR=2.1 V
DDR TIMINGS= can be auto, but mine are different
Most importantly, Hyperpath3 is OFF
EIST and C1 are Disabled
Performance Mode(PAT)=TURBO (seems to relax NB timings).

[riiaku]

Use the bootable version of memtest, not the windows based one. That way only a few K (like 100 or so) of ram are in use and all the rest can be tested.

I USED MEMTEST86 LIVE DOS VERSION THE ONE U BOOT UP WITH FOR 14 hours.

i have a E6400, and its running at 266, is that normal? why set it to 401? wont that mean i have to overclock it? and yes im running at 1305 i reverted it back to it, and still same problem. i performed that fix that guy told me to do and the game ran for about 5 min longer than it usually did and then it blue screened. so yes asus sucks, because i never had to customize all this much with my msi. or even trouble shoot it until this all started, a year and a half into running it it ran great. so yeah asus has some quality problems. also my bios has a problem recognizing dvd rom drives.

Edit: im used to OCing amds not intel, so whats up with 401 isnt that multiliplied by 8 which is 3208mhz? please explain

[madmat]

The C2D has a fsb of 1066, multiply 266X4 and TaaaDaaa 1064 or 1066 by Intel's math. By the way don't fricken scream at me I'm trying to help your ass. I don't have any problem with giving you a day or so to cool your heels.

You're the one asking i ran it for 14 hours last night, so a minimum of 24 hours you say? should i run them separately or together?
So I'm assuming that you're in windows since you can't run anything together in the bootable version. Get it?

If you mean run the ram one stick at a time or both at once please be a little clearer as the way you put it is confusing as hell. If that's what you meant just run them together.

[riiaku]

The C2D has a fsb of 1066, multiply 266X4 and TaaaDaaa 1064 or 1066 by Intel's math. By the way don't fricken scream at me I'm trying to help your ass. I don't have any problem with giving you a day or so to cool your heels.

You're the one asking
So I'm assuming that you're in windows since you can't run anything together in the bootable version. Get it?

If you mean run the ram one stick at a time or both at once please be a little clearer as the way you put it is confusing as hell. If that's what you meant just run them together.

yes run each ram stick at a time, which one would be better or does it really matter? anyways thank you for your help, i saw in the bios, cpu frequence not fsb, so what do i do? the ddr frequency is set at ddr2-800, cause i have pc6400 ram. so are u referring to the cpu frequency or the ddr ram, and the vmch vch are you sure to set it to the max values because i havent overclocked it yet. i dont think i want to yet. also i cant find the EIST. i cant find the fsb, is that the cpu frequency or the ddr frequency?

[madmat]

The FSB will be the CPU frequency. You multiply 266 by the multiplier for your CPU and that gives you the frequency the CPU is running at. Seriously, running both sticks at once should suffice until (if ever) you get errors then if there are errors pull one stick and start the test over to see if the stick you pulled was at fault.

As to the vmch and vch I have no clue, I haven't had the pleasure of playing with the new 775 mobos. I've OC'ed 478's, 939's and 370's and 462's. Sadly nothing else :(

[riiaku]

The FSB will be the CPU frequency. You multiply 266 by the multiplier for your CPU and that gives you the frequency the CPU is running at. Seriously, running both sticks at once should suffice until (if ever) you get errors then if there are errors pull one stick and start the test over to see if the stick you pulled was at fault.

As to the vmch and vch I have no clue, I haven't had the pleasure of playing with the new 775 mobos. I've OC'ed 478's, 939's and 370's and 462's. Sadly nothing else :(

yeah but if i multiply 401 times 8 its 3.2 gigahertz, that so whats up? i have 2.13 gigahertz. jumping that high will burn the processor. and maxing the voltages for the chipset, wont that burn the motherboard at stock? i just have a feeling the settings supernade gave me are for an overclocked system and will fry mine, so i dont get it. is supernade messing with me on purpose to fry my system or deliberately trying to help me and those settings he had are his own from his system being overclocked??

[madmat]

You don't run the CPU frequency at 401 man. Multiplying 266 X 8 gives a final result of 2128 or 2.13 which is what you have.You just bump the FSB up a bit at a time, not slam it to full, that's the quick way to burn your CPU up.

[madmat]

I dunno if SN has a E6400 or something else, he might be running an older non core duo chip which would explain it.

[Tazz]

Something definitely doesn't look right. Should someone go over and still his Caps Lock key :).

[Super Nade]

Before you say ASUS is teh sux, why don't you tell me what BIOS version you are using. Flash to 1305.Did you even try this? How about trying a few manual settings? These are mine (back yours off as you please):
BIOS 1305
VCore= 1.425 V (change to 1.35V)
FSB= 401 (uses a looser strap) (Change to 267)
Multi =8
VMCH,VCHipset= Max values (1.2, 1.5 V)
VDDR=2.1 V
DDR TIMINGS= can be auto, but mine are different
Most importantly, Hyperpath3 is OFF
EIST and C1 are Disabled
Performance Mode(PAT)=TURBO (seems to relax NB timings).

I just provided my settings as a reference. I am running a Core 2 Duo and it is overclocked rather nicely. Did you try anything I said at all? Here are my system specs:

2 x 1 Gb OCZ Gold PC5300
BBA X1900XTX
2 x 36Gb Raptors
1 x 300Gb SATAII
ASUS P5W-DH DLX
Supermicro PWS-0056
Allendale E6400


I USED MEMTEST86 LIVE DOS VERSION THE ONE U BOOT UP WITH FOR 14 hours.

i have a E6400, and its running at 266, is that normal? why set it to 401? wont that mean i have to overclock it? and yes im running at 1305 i reverted it back to it, and still same problem. i performed that fix that guy told me to do and the game ran for about 5 min longer than it usually did and then it blue screened. so yes asus sucks, because i never had to customize all this much with my msi. or even trouble shoot it until this all started, a year and a half into running it it ran great. so yeah asus has some quality problems. also my bios has a problem recognizing dvd rom drives.

Edit: im used to OCing amds not intel, so whats up with 401 isnt that multiliplied by 8 which is 3208mhz? please explain

So, wait, you are saying you came off of AMD (I did too!) and Intel boards have too many settings?:eek: I'm super bored with Intel as tweaking has been greatly curtailed. :(

Now, your problem is, you are not stable at stock settings, right? So you really have to narrow down the issue one component at a time. First off, let me tell you that Memtest stability =! Windows stability. You have to run P95 for about 14 hrs to verify that. Trust me on this. :)

I'm not blindly bumping up VCore and FSB and nor will I burn up my chip. If you really want to see if you have the thermal aspect under control, use the Intel Thermal Analysis Tool to check that. Alternatively I've used StressCPU to do my stress testing.

You say you are having problems with the BIOS. How did you reset the CMOS? I hope you atleast pulled out the battery and waited for a minute before replacing it?

At 266 FSB, you should have no problems whatsoever. Your default VCore may be 1.33V, so a bump to 1.35V will not hurt as with most ASUS boards I've used, the VCore droops by about 0.12 V.

Turn off DRAM Throtelling as well.

[madmat]

I hope you atleast pulled out the battery and waited for a minute before replacing it?


Pulling the battery won't do you the least bit of good unless you turn the PSU off at the switch first. The 5VSB will stop the mobo from dropping the CMOS settings. I'm sure you know this but not everyone does.

[Super Nade]

Forgot to make that clear. Thanks for reminding me. :)

[riiaku]

You don't run the CPU frequency at 401 man. Multiplying 266 X 8 gives a final result of 2128 or 2.13 which is what you have.You just bump the FSB up a bit at a time, not slam it to full, that's the quick way to burn your CPU up.

dude i know this already but when he told me to change my settings to the settings he gave me thats when i knew there was something wrong there, because you have to incrementally overclock ur system, 5mhz at a time, and i never said there are tooo many settings, super nade is putting words in my mouth, i came from a amd board but im just saying that this is all new to me, the memory controller is integrated with the cpu in amd, but in the intel boards, isnt it seperated, how does my ram correlate to my cpu frequency, when do i know to turn up the ddr rate? or can i keep it at ddr2800 and just overclock the cpu frequency.

Oh and guess what i ran memtest86 for 9 hours and it gave me errors at the 6 hour mark. what now?
i have not pulled the battery to reset cmos yet so no but i could give that a try. but theres an option in bios that does that.

[madmat]

That's a soft reset not a hard reset. First try setting the memory VDimm up a bit and see if the errors go away. Do you have the timings set manually or by SPD? If they're set manually it could be that the ram needs a bit more juice to cope with them if they're tighter.

[riiaku]

I just provided my settings as a reference. I am running a Core 2 Duo and it is overclocked rather nicely. Did you try anything I said at all? Here are my system specs:

2 x 1 Gb OCZ Gold PC5300
BBA X1900XTX
2 x 36Gb Raptors
1 x 300Gb SATAII
ASUS P5W-DH DLX
Supermicro PWS-0056
Allendale E6400




So, wait, you are saying you came off of AMD (I did too!) and Intel boards have too many settings?:eek: I'm super bored with Intel as tweaking has been greatly curtailed. :(

Now, your problem is, you are not stable at stock settings, right? So you really have to narrow down the issue one component at a time. First off, let me tell you that Memtest stability =! Windows stability. You have to run P95 for about 14 hrs to verify that. Trust me on this. :)

I'm not blindly bumping up VCore and FSB and nor will I burn up my chip. If you really want to see if you have the thermal aspect under control, use the Intel Thermal Analysis Tool to check that. Alternatively I've used StressCPU to do my stress testing.

You say you are having problems with the BIOS. How did you reset the CMOS? I hope you atleast pulled out the battery and waited for a minute before replacing it?

At 266 FSB, you should have no problems whatsoever. Your default VCore may be 1.33V, so a bump to 1.35V will not hurt as with most ASUS boards I've used, the VCore droops by about 0.12 V.

Turn off DRAM Throtelling as well.

i like your system setup, when did you buy it? why do you have a 300gb? storage? and do you have a dvd rom and dvd rw, for some reason ppl in other forums told me that the current bios for our MB does not support dvd rom drives, only certain dvdrw. my dvd rw works but not my dvd rom. my spd is set to disabled, i am choosing the timings, its at 4-4-4-15. theres another option but i have taht set at 4. i set the mch to 1.2 and the cpu to 1.35 volts, the vch has a max volt of 1.85 and the fsb term volt has a max of 1.5v, which one were u referring too? the max values thing: i have not changed the vch yet its at auto but the fsb term volt is at auto too, were you referring to that one to set it at 1.5v? because vch only has 1.55-1.85. i enabled and disabled all the things u guys told me to enable and disable, the only thing i have not done is a hard reset. also the vdimm is set to 2.1 volts is that correct?

EDIT: I got new errors, win32k.sys bsod stop 0x0050 and also another error 0x07e, my mouse seems to keep doing that twitchy thing even though its plugged in to the usb, i think i screwed up the mouse, nothing seems to be going right, nothing, im soooo frustrated. now i gotta refurbish my mouse, and fix my computer. so what should i do next? do the hard cmos reset? low level reformat? run memtest86 again? and if i run memtest what should my settings be for my ram? should i set it to 5-5-5-15 or what?

[Super Nade]

i like your system setup, when did you buy it? why do you have a 300gb? storage? and do you have a dvd rom and dvd rw, for some reason ppl in other forums told me that the current bios for our MB does not support dvd rom drives, only certain dvdrw. my dvd rw works but not my dvd rom. my spd is set to disabled, i am choosing the timings, its at 4-4-4-15. theres another option but i have taht set at 4. i set the mch to 1.2 and the cpu to 1.35 volts, the vch has a max volt of 1.85 and the fsb term volt has a max of 1.5v, which one were u referring too? the max values thing: i have not changed the vch yet its at auto but the fsb term volt is at auto too, were you referring to that one to set it at 1.5v? because vch only has 1.55-1.85. i enabled and disabled all the things u guys told me to enable and disable, the only thing i have not done is a hard reset. also the vdimm is set to 2.1 volts is that correct?


First off mate, it would be a good idea for you to read up on how things work on the Intel side of the fence. I had to do quite a bit of reading myself. Overclocking Intel is a lot different from AMD. But lets not go there yet. Your first target is to get your rig up and running at stock settings.

It seems like you have a newer revision of the P5W-DH. Raise VCH to 1.6 V and VMCH to the maximum (not necessary, but we can back it down if need be).

I don't own a DVD ROM Drive (see sig) so I can't comment on that. However, CD-ROM drives (even very old ones) work flawlessly. Are you using two different IDE ports or the same port for your Optical drives? I always use two different ones if available. In that way, there is no need to mess with Master/Slave/CS configs.

Be a bit systematic with your questions otherwise everybody is going to be confused. Also, if something I suggest does not work, let me know and maybe I can come up with an alternative. If you don't tell, I don't know. Let us start again with this. Please answer these questions for me:-

What are the exact symptoms of your problem?
Did you follow my suggestions and if yes, what improvements/deterioration did you see?


I got a good deal on the HDD ($60). My OS resides on one Raptor and Software on the other. The 300Gb HDD is for Linux installs via VM's and miscillaneous storage. I bought my system in bit and pieces over a period of a few months. Some hardware is used and some are new.

When you choose DRAM timings, it is always a good idea to set SPD timings first, boot into windows, open CPUz, note down the timings, head back to the BIOS after a reboot and set SP manually.

[Super Nade]

EDIT: I got new errors, win32k.sys bsod stop 0x0050 and also another error 0x07e, my mouse seems to keep doing that twitchy thing even though its plugged in to the usb, i think i screwed up the mouse, nothing seems to be going right, nothing, im soooo frustrated. now i gotta refurbish my mouse, and fix my computer. so what should i do next? do the hard cmos reset? low level reformat? run memtest86 again? and if i run memtest what should my settings be for my ram? should i set it to 5-5-5-15 or what?

Is the battery on your mouse o.k? Try resetting the CMOS first.

Turn off and unplug PSU
Set CMOS Jumper to CLR
Remove CMOS Battery
Wait for 2-3 min
Put the battery back in.
Set Jumper to Default position
Reconnect PSU and turn it on.
Load setup defaults, save and exit
Get back to the bios screen and make the changes I suggested


The only bug I see with the 1305 BIOS is that it does not seem to like 5-5-5-x timings very much.

[riiaku]

First off mate, it would be a good idea for you to read up on how things work on the Intel side of the fence. I had to do quite a bit of reading myself. Overclocking Intel is a lot different from AMD. But lets not go there yet. Your first target is to get your rig up and running at stock settings.

It seems like you have a newer revision of the P5W-DH. Raise VCH to 1.6 V and VMCH to the maximum (not necessary, but we can back it down if need be).

I don't own a DVD ROM Drive (see sig) so I can't comment on that. However, CD-ROM drives (even very old ones) work flawlessly. Are you using two different IDE ports or the same port for your Optical drives? I always use two different ones if available. In that way, there is no need to mess with Master/Slave/CS configs.

Be a bit systematic with your questions otherwise everybody is going to be confused. Also, if something I suggest does not work, let me know and maybe I can come up with an alternative. If you don't tell, I don't know. Let us start again with this. Please answer these questions for me:-

What are the exact symptoms of your problem?
Did you follow my suggestions and if yes, what improvements/deterioration did you see?



When you choose DRAM timings, it is always a good idea to set SPD timings first, boot into windows, open CPUz, note down the timings, head back to the BIOS after a reboot and set SP manually.

what will resetting the cmos do? you guys told me to run memtest86 i did and i got errors, now wer talking about cmos, i feel like wer going all over the place, should i use the new memory settings then retest or just do the hard cmos reset and then go from there. Should i change the voltage for the fsb termination to anything or leave it on auto. the max mch is 1.2 the max vch is 1.85, so u said change to 1.6. ill do that.

A few min ago my system crashed again bsod, but this time it was just from websurfing and windows media player running mp3s, and it said win32k.sys i think its getting worse.
System specs:
Asus P5W DH Deluxe
Intel core 2 duo E6400
OCZ Platinum Revision 2 2x 1GB PC6400
Coolermaster Stacker case
onboard audio
sony DVD rom
Benq DVD RW
floppy drive
2x Hitachi 7k250 160 GB HDs on RAID 0
Sapphire X1900 XT 256 mb
Silverstone ST850ZF
Saitek Eclipse keyboard
Logitech MX1000
2x 17" LCDs
Printer
Wireless Gamepad
linksys router


SYMPTOMS: i cant play games too long because they bsod, Act of war high treason bsods after 10 min or so into gameplay, GRAW bsods like 20 min into gameplay somtimes, CS Source bsods 1 hour and a half into gameplay sometimes less time. the bsods always say ati3duag.dll and now its been saying win32k.sys. its been worsening to bsods, since iv been applyng the settings you gave me. now i get bsods just from surfing the web or playing mp3s on windows media player. my mouse is acting crazy, i think its screwed up, my computer went completely nuts when i had the 1407 bios, but nuts in a way that suggested someone was controlling my computer, because when i typed on the yahoo IM it would type the words backwards, and then all my menu items were flashing and programs starting up and i coudltn select anything or click anything, the mouse was acting up by itself, when i selected something from a menu item in set point mouse software or in yahoo IM the menus starting fflashing back and forth and i couldnt stop it unless i clicked off the screen somewhere. ive never seen it do that. then when i got control back i went to select something from the start menu and it went crazy again but this time i saw stick figures appear and reappear on my deskstop for a couple seconds then never saw them aagain. i can play marc eckos getting up contents under pressure without bsods or crashes ever. beat the game recently. awesome game. i ran memtest86 last night for 9 hours and got 3 errors, havent retested yet, with the new settings, but i did get a bsod of win32k.sys just from normal usage. with the new settings. i have bios version 1305 and have not done the hard cmos reset yet. ill do that now. i replaced my video card a couple days ago because i called sapphire and described the problem to them and they said it was the video card, i got it replace from newegg and now still the same problem.

[riiaku]

i did the cmos reset, the hard way. i looked in the bios and it said no vch, it only has mch, ich, and fsb termination voltage. MCH has 1.55-1.85v with increments of 1.55, 1.65, 1.75, 1.85. the ich is auto, 1.05 or 1.2. then the fsb termination voltage is 1.2,1.3,1.4,1.5. so what do i do? i set the mch to 1.55 and the ich to 1.2 and left the fsb term, voltag at auto.

EDIT: the weirdest thing happend, my computer is acting soooo weird, i got it up and running and all my websites in firefox have been cleaned out, like someone deleted my history on the websites, the menu items in start menu flash orange, like their new or something, and then when i went back into the start menu only 2 items were orange, its acting kind of weird. Also when i resetted the cmos and started back up it said a message, cmos settings wrong, cmos date/time not set. Ive noticed I don't get those windows recovered from a serious error messages anymore, but i still do get some memory errors messages quite a bit. So what do i do now? I've done everything you've asked, now what?

EDIT2: I got another new error, ati2uag.dll or something like that. its weird now. its getting worse, i have the vdrimm at 2.2

[riiaku]

are you guys not going to help me out anymore? i really need help please. Ive done all you asked, what next?

EDIT: i just ran memtest for a couple hours and it had mad amounts of errors.

[madmat]

I'm out of ideas. SN hasn't been on here since you posted last, just be patient.

[riiaku]

could it be the ram? cause im running out of options, i think im going to return the RAM, and get mushkin ram, and see if that works, because ive been reading that ocz has a lot of DOAs lately and especially witht his ram model so im gonna return it and either get the same one again or mushkin. I was also debating whether or not to get the corsair, what do you think?

EDIT: i just remembered i had a mail in rebate for that ram, and i mailed it, do you think i can still get it replaced at newegg or exchanged?

[madmat]

Dunno, was it a MG rebate? Will newegg know you got it? Is the ram still erroring? These are the questions that haunt men's lives...;)

[riiaku]

Dunno, was it a MG rebate? Will newegg know you got it? Is the ram still erroring? These are the questions that haunt men's lives...;)

yeah the ram keeps erroring ill try each one separetely, but ive tried soo many different settings for the ram that its just not working, and its getting worse, far worse, it bsods more frequently now. im getting new error codes too, ati2cqag.dll, kmixer.sys, sysaudio.sys, win32k.sys, etc.... and its getting worse, i think its the ram, what about you? whats MG stand for? the rebate was a OCZ rebate, i had to cut out the upc code from the package it came in, but this problem is driving me nuts, im pretty sure its the ram now, what else could it be? can it be the harddrives even though i ran drive fitness tests it still came out fine, but could it posssibly be the HDs?

[madmat]

MG was supposed to be MFG which is short for manufacturer. As you can see that's why MFG is used instead ;)

If the ram's erroring it can be slowly (but surely) corrupting your OS and it's going to keep getting more errors as the data is corrupted.

If the ram's erroring at stock settings then yes it needs to be RMA'd, whether you should get a different brand, I dunno. That's for you to decide but I won't buy Corsair myself, I had bad experiences with close to $1000 worth of ram from them.

[jonnyGURU]

could it be the ram?

My first and, up until now, only contribution to this thread was telling you to run the PC for a while one stick at a time.

You still have not done this?

I've had Memtest pass bad ram. 20 minutes, 14 hours, 24 hours... doesn't matter.

[riiaku]

I've had Memtest pass bad ram. 20 minutes, 14 hours, 24 hours... doesn't matter.

I'm doing it right now, its running one of the chips through memtest, 12 hours in no problems, im going to run some games after it hits the 26 hour mark, then ill see if it works then ill try the other ram stick and run it, i think its the other ram stick thats not working, could it be the motherboard too or no?

[jonnyGURU]

If you run each stick, and each stick "passes" where the two together do not, then I would say you have a motherboard problem.

[madmat]

If you run each stick, and each stick "passes" where the two together do not, then I would say you have a motherboard problem.

Or a compatability problem. Look o0n ASUS's site and see what they show on their "Memory compatabilty list" about the ram you have.

[riiaku]

Or a compatability problem. Look o0n ASUS's site and see what they show on their "Memory compatabilty list" about the ram you have.

there is no ram compatibility list or a least i couldnt find it, it says in the manual, but its out of date so im not sure.

[SixIron]

there is no ram compatibility list or a least i couldnt find it, it says in the manual, but its out of date so im not sure.

I actually looked at Asus' site and couldn't find it either. If you end up buying new ram, you might try Crucial.com as they have the PW5 DH Deluxe listed on their ram configurator and guarantee compatibility.

[riiaku]

I actually looked at Asus' site and couldn't find it either. If you end up buying new ram, you might try Crucial.com as they have the PW5 DH Deluxe listed on their ram configurator and guarantee compatibility.

too expensive, i love corsair i always have never had a problem with them, always great quality, i think ill get either corsair, mushkin, or gskill.

[Super Nade]

Sorry man, I could not get on all day yesterday. I'll have to think a bit harder on this one. Hang on, I'm sure there is enough collective wisdom here to figure this one out. So stop panicing. :)

what will resetting the cmos do? you guys told me to run memtest86 i did and i got errors, now wer talking about cmos, i feel like wer going all over the place, should i use the new memory settings then retest or just do the hard cmos reset and then go from there. Should i change the voltage for the fsb termination to anything or leave it on auto. the max mch is 1.2 the max vch is 1.85, so u said change to 1.6. ill do that.

Resetting the CMOS clears out your old settings and uses defaults from the protected area of the CMOS. How exactly did you reset the CMOS and how did you flash the BIOS? If you used Winflash, you are pretty much screwed because Winflash is garbage and produces a number of errors. Always use the FDD and the EZ-Flash program in the BIOS.

A few min ago my system crashed again bsod, but this time it was just from websurfing and windows media player running mp3s, and it said win32k.sys i think its getting worse.
System specs:
Asus P5W DH Deluxe
Intel core 2 duo E6400
OCZ Platinum Revision 2 2x 1GB PC6400
Coolermaster Stacker case
onboard audio
sony DVD rom
Benq DVD RW
floppy drive
2x Hitachi 7k250 160 GB HDs on RAID 0
Sapphire X1900 XT 256 mb
Silverstone ST850ZF
Saitek Eclipse keyboard
Logitech MX1000
2x 17" LCDs
Printer
Wireless Gamepad
linksys router

Try this. Disconnect everything, all peripheral devices except one HDD, VC and RAM. Perform a fresh Windows Install on a spare HDD and tell me how long that lasts? Also, run your RAM at < its SPD Freq i.e DDR2 800. Do not bump up VDRAM yet. Keep it at 2.1V.


SYMPTOMS: i cant play games too long because they bsod, Act of war high treason bsods after 10 min or so into gameplay, GRAW bsods like 20 min into gameplay somtimes, CS Source bsods 1 hour and a half into gameplay sometimes less time. the bsods always say ati3duag.dll and now its been saying win32k.sys. its been worsening to bsods, since iv been applyng the settings you gave me. now i get bsods just from surfing the web or playing mp3s on windows media player. my mouse is acting crazy, i think its screwed up, my computer went completely nuts when i had the 1407 bios, but nuts in a way that suggested someone was controlling my computer, because when i typed on the yahoo IM it would type the words backwards, and then all my menu items were flashing and programs starting up and i coudltn select anything or click anything, the mouse was acting up by itself, when i selected something from a menu item in set point mouse software or in yahoo IM the menus starting fflashing back and forth and i couldnt stop it unless i clicked off the screen somewhere. ive never seen it do that. then when i got control back i went to select something from the start menu and it went crazy again but this time i saw stick figures appear and reappear on my deskstop for a couple seconds then never saw them aagain. i can play marc eckos getting up contents under pressure without bsods or crashes ever. beat the game recently. awesome game. i ran memtest86 last night for 9 hours and got 3 errors, havent retested yet, with the new settings, but i did get a bsod of win32k.sys just from normal usage. with the new settings. i have bios version 1305 and have not done the hard cmos reset yet. ill do that now. i replaced my video card a couple days ago because i called sapphire and described the problem to them and they said it was the video card, i got it replace from newegg and now still the same problem.

Maybe a virus got a hold of your computer? Are you running a legit copy of Windows XP? Dude, let us see some picture of what you are describing. Just as a precaution, double-check all the jumper settings and make sure you have not plugged in the remote that comes with the MB.

[riiaku]

Sorry man, I could not get on all day yesterday. I'll have to think a bit harder on this one. Hang on, I'm sure there is enough collective wisdom here to figure this one out. So stop panicing. :)


Resetting the CMOS clears out your old settings and uses defaults from the protected area of the CMOS. How exactly did you reset the CMOS and how did you flash the BIOS? If you used Winflash, you are pretty much screwed because Winflash is garbage and produces a number of errors. Always use the FDD and the EZ-Flash program in the BIOS.

Try this. Disconnect everything, all peripheral devices except one HDD, VC and RAM. Perform a fresh Windows Install on a spare HDD and tell me how long that lasts? Also, run your RAM at < its SPD Freq i.e DDR2 800. Do not bump up VDRAM yet. Keep it at 2.1V.



Maybe a virus got a hold of your computer? Are you running a legit copy of Windows XP? Dude, let us see some picture of what you are describing. Just as a precaution, double-check all the jumper settings and make sure you have not plugged in the remote that comes with the MB.
i ran the first mem chip for 36 hours memtest86 without errors, then i ran the second mem chip with 2 errors into the first 30 min of testing, i think i found the problem, i booted up with the good memory chip and am going to try games, although i think that might not be a good idea seeing as how my OS is arleady corrupted. should i just reformat?

[Super Nade]

I'd suggest using a spare drive to reinstall Windows. At this point there is no guarentee that it is solely a memory problem. I told you before, memtest stable does not imply Windows stability. :)

[jonnyGURU]

True. But if one stick passes after 36 hours and the other fails twice within 30 minutes... Know what I mean? ;)

[riiaku]

I'd suggest using a spare drive to reinstall Windows. At this point there is no guarentee that it is solely a memory problem. I told you before, memtest stable does not imply Windows stability. :)

then what is the point in using memtest? didnt you say earlier that memtest = windows stability?

[riiaku]

Now, your problem is, you are not stable at stock settings, right? So you really have to narrow down the issue one component at a time. First off, let me tell you that Memtest stability =! Windows stability. You have to run P95 for about 14 hrs to verify that. Trust me on this. :)

see there you go, i dont have an extra harddrive, so im going to do a low level format for both my drives and run it and see if it works then if not then ill buy another drive and run it to see if it works. but i just tried a game with the one ram chip that works and it gives me the same problem over and over. i hate computers sooo much.

[riiaku]

True. But if one stick passes after 36 hours and the other fails twice within 30 minutes... Know what I mean? ;)

ok so what do you think i should do then? Should i try Prime 95?

[Super Nade]

Do not buy anything unless you absolutely need to. Try to sort this out with what you have. Go ahead and format one drive, reinstall Windows, your drivers etc and then read through this excellent guide on Stability testing:-

http://www.ocforums.com/showthread.php?t=335813

[jonnyGURU]

ok so what do you think i should do then? Should i try Prime 95?

I think you need to format and reinstall using just the RAM that passed after 36 hours and see if the games crash.

[you2]

I had a very similar problem where memtest worked fine yet every hour or so my system would crash (often the graphics driver would die). It was one bad stick of ram - with both in prime95 could run an hour (or sometimes only a few minutes) without an error - with the good stick it could run over night - no crashes et all - with just the bad stick it would find an error fairly fast (usually 2 to 5 minutes). During this period i had frequent disk corruptions et all and had thought for a while it was aproblem with the dma device or disk (was a new build) but it was the ram. I basically ignore memtest and use prime95 for testing after that issue.

[riiaku]

I had a very similar problem where memtest worked fine yet every hour or so my system would crash (often the graphics driver would die). It was one bad stick of ram - with both in prime95 could run an hour (or sometimes only a few minutes) without an error - with the good stick it could run over night - no crashes et all - with just the bad stick it would find an error fairly fast (usually 2 to 5 minutes). During this period i had frequent disk corruptions et all and had thought for a while it was aproblem with the dma device or disk (was a new build) but it was the ram. I basically ignore memtest and use prime95 for testing after that issue.

i wasnt able to read nades advice b4 i reformatted, but i reformatted, deleted the boot sectors then reinstalled windows using the good stick, and wow for some odd reason everything is a lot faster, i have not encountered any memory errors at all, yet. i still have yet to play a game but so far its running great. my mouse doesnt screw up at all now, and for some odd reason ive noticed a large amount of quickness to computer. everything is instantenous. im going to run that game act of war high treason tonight and see what happens, omg i hope to god it works, if not im going to reformat using my dads program he got from a friend of his that writes the drive down to the zeros its a high security program. then reinstall windows on one drive and test it to see if it works with games. and then follow the guide nade gave me, hows that?

EDIT: i noticed something, my mouse started acting up after i installed daemon tools. its weird. do you guys know of a better replacement for daemon tools? i just talk to logitech tech support, he said to decrease a notch on hardware acceleration and to put the receiver underneath the desk, ill see if that works, and then ill update, but right now im installin GRAW, and tonight act of war, high treason, because high treason is where my computer restarted after 10 min of playing, where as graw would need like 30-1 hour and a hhalf of playing to restart.

[riiaku]

holy mary mother of god, its STABLE, i played 2 hours of act of war high treason, and that is a gpu intensive game, and it usually crashed within 10 min, i played for 2 hours straight no CRASHES, occasional stutter or lag, but i think cause it was loading the in game video, its awesome im sooo super happy, i think it works, I RMAed my ram today and i have to send it in for a replacement, when i get it im going to ran memtest 30 hours each stick to make sure they both work. but i am sooo happy, this entire time it was the ram. so far. ill keep running more tests.

EDIT: computer RESET AFTER ANOTHER HOUR INTO THE GAME, IT DIDNT BLUE SCREEN THOUGH IT JUST RESTARTED, why did it do that?

[madmat]

Could be heat related...

[riiaku]

Could be heat related...

video card maybe? cause the ram chips are lightly warm, and the rest of the system dude its freezing in my room, with 2 120mm fans and 2 80mm fans running, how could it possibly be hot? i do know that the video card runs hot on the x1900 xt though, so maybe its that? if so ill get an accelero x2, or do you have any suggestions? im also thinking of replace the fans 120mm fans in my system with panaflow low output 120mm fans 68.7 cfm and low noise, should that do the trick?

[Super Nade]

If your video card is not overclocked, heat should not be a problem (noise will).

[riiaku]

If your video card is not overclocked, heat should not be a problem (noise will).

iv read quite a few reviews saying that my video card at stock settings runs very hot, very close to restarting temps, so im thinking of buying the accelero x2 for its quiet cooler and efficient cooling.

[riiaku]

i know we this will sound like going in circiles, but whats better? a single rail cpu with 60 amps on one rail or a multi rail psu with 18amps on each rail?

cause i bought the 850 watt silverstone psu for 250, yet i feel like i wont ever use that 850 watts, ever, even with a crossfire set up and my cpu overclocked to 3.0 gigahertz, so i think i should return the silverstone and buy the pc power and cooling 750 watt, for 50 bucks less, i dont know. what do you think? will i ever use those 750 watts with the system ill be getting soon?

EDIT: I wish jonny would review the pc power and cooling silencer 750

[CAD4466HK]

EDIT: I wish jonny would review the pc power and cooling silencer 750

Buy one and send it to him;)

[riiaku]

Buy one and send it to him;)

how does your psu support the system u have now? cause it seems like your system would be useing 450 watts by now and yet your psu is only 480 and ur efficiency is around 80 percent right? so i will never need my 850 watt will i?

For the system i want, for instance if i get a second card for crossfire or a dx10 card, and a creative xfi card, an extra 120mm fan, overclock my system to 3.2 gigahertz and and run a tv tuner card, how much power will my system use? im thinking of returning or selling the 850 watt silverstone i have and getting the 750 watt pc power and cooling. ill end up saving 100 bucks and 60 amps on one rail.

[CAD4466HK]

how does your psu support the system u have now? cause it seems like your system would be useing 450 watts by now and yet your psu is only 480 and ur efficiency is around 80 percent right? so i will never need my 850 watt will i?

For the system i want, for instance if i get a second card for crossfire or a dx10 card, and a creative xfi card, an extra 120mm fan, overclock my system to 3.2 gigahertz and and run a tv tuner card, how much power will my system use? im thinking of returning or selling the 850 watt silverstone i have and getting the 750 watt pc power and cooling. ill end up saving 100 bucks and 60 amps on one rail.

For one thing, I'm sure my system is "not" pulling anywhere near 450w.
Trust me, I fell into the marketing hype on PSU's like alot of other people
did a few years ago, and I regret it now:o

BTY jG has that PSU at his proveing grounds right now, getting ready to see if the little bitch has what it takes for the hotbox:) , then it gets shipped to OW for recapping:D

If I was you, which I'm not, I would keep that Zeus over that rebadged
Seasonic anyday;)

[riiaku]

For one thing, I'm sure my system is "not" pulling anywhere near 450w.
Trust me, I fell into the marketing hype on PSU's like alot of other people
did a few years ago, and I regret it now:o

BTY jG has that PSU at his proveing grounds right now, getting ready to see if the little bitch has what it takes for the hotbox:) , then it gets shipped to OW for recapping:D

If I was you, which I'm not, I would keep that Zeus over that rebadged
Seasonic anyday;)

what? the silencer is a rebadged seasonic? i found out now i can only get 50 dollar difference now between the two or less. so now its too late i guess. what the hell do i need 850 watts for? SHIT!!!!!!!, i should have bought a 600 watt silverstone or pc power and cooling and stuck with that. because then id still have ample wattage and a lot of amperes, cause thats what matter, amperes and quality. I'm thinking of buying another x1900 XT before they leave the market to run crossfire because a friend of mine at microsoft told me vista and dx10 is just a lot of hype, and that it wont be as great as everyone thought it would be. he told me to wait a year or a year and a half after its release to reveal its potential but even then a crossfire system will be able to take anything that is thrown at it. so i dont know. what do you think? id like a second opinion.

EDIT: this is what i plan on getting next. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16889160005
would this screen draw power from my PSU or just from the wall?

[CAD4466HK]

what? the silencer is a rebadged seasonic? i found out now i can only get 50 dollar difference now between the two or less. so now its too late i guess. what the hell do i need 850 watts for? SHIT!!!!!!!, i should have bought a 600 watt silverstone or pc power and cooling and stuck with that. because then id still have ample wattage and a lot of amperes, cause thats what matter, amperes and quality. I'm thinking of buying another x1900 XT before they leave the market to run crossfire because a friend of mine at microsoft told me vista and dx10 is just a lot of hype, and that it wont be as great as everyone thought it would be. he told me to wait a year or a year and a half after its release to reveal its potential but even then a crossfire system will be able to take anything that is thrown at it. so i dont know. what do you think? id like a second opinion.

EDIT: this is what i plan on getting next. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16889160005
would this screen draw power from my PSU or just from the wall?


Put it this way,if you keep the Zeus, thats one less PC upgrade your going to have to shell out for.;)

That PSU will serve you well through the next couple of years:D

[ceewi1]

EDIT: this is what i plan on getting next. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16889160005
would this screen draw power from my PSU or just from the wall?
Just the wall.

[riiaku]

Put it this way,if you keep the Zeus, thats one less PC upgrade your going to have to shell out for.;)

That PSU will serve you well through the next couple of years:D

oh dude my system is really unstable now, im gettin all these weird crashes everytime i start up windows media player ofr AIM triton or other programs sometimes like the search option. what could it be? im thinking of uninstalling aim triton and bitdefender and getting another antivirus, cause my system is really unstable. There are no blue screens, just constant freezes. I have ATI catalyst 6.9, i hear those have problems, what drivers should i try that you know of?

EDIT I JUST GOT A BLUE SCREEN ERROR, OMG im sooo pissed off, it was a stop error. i just got my ram chips replace yesterday, what is going on? what could it be? something tells me i should have stayed with nvidia and AMD.

[CAD4466HK]

oh dude my system is really unstable now, im gettin all these weird crashes everytime i start up windows media player ofr AIM triton or other programs sometimes like the search option. what could it be? im thinking of uninstalling aim triton and bitdefender and getting another antivirus, cause my system is really unstable. There are no blue screens, just constant freezes. I have ATI catalyst 6.9, i hear those have problems, what drivers should i try that you know of?

EDIT I JUST GOT A BLUE SCREEN ERROR, OMG im sooo pissed off, it was a stop error. i just got my ram chips replace yesterday, what is going on? what could it be? something tells me i should have stayed with nvidia and AMD.

Try a clean install with "NO" programs running and see how she acts.
XP will be a bitch to install with any hardware conflicts present,most of the time that is, but it could be a loose wire or a hard drive slowly dying:)

[riiaku]

what do you mean a clean install? it just bsoded again playing act of war high treason, same memory errors as before, ati3duag.dll. I HATE OCZ. I think one of the chips are faulty. what do you think?

I'm going to go buy a hard drive and do a fresh install on that and see how it goes, what do you think?

A hard slowly dying hard drive causes bsods? is that what it could be? because the same errors i had on this system was on my other system, same harddrives, the only thing that carried over to the new system was the harddrives. Do you think its those?

[riiaku]

Ok i ran memtest86 on each chip 30 hours and 35 hours, both run perfectly, so it isnt the ram, psu, video card, so its gotta be the motherboard, harddrives or cpu. im trying the harddirves next. what do u think.

[you2]

Try pime95 instead of memtest86. Per my problem memtest86 ran without issues but prime95 torture test failed after a couple of hours. I could have sworn my problem was the disk but it turned out that the data was being corrupted in memory and then written to the disk corrupted.

[riiaku]

i ran prime95 today for 8 hours without failure, what is the mininmum time and average amount i should run it for to see if stable?

[you2]

8 hours should be more than enough.

[riiaku]

8 hours should be more than enough.

ok iv been playing act of war high treason for 2 or 3 hours a day and no more crashes and other games too have no more crashes. the weird freezes and crashing of windows media player and bittorrent are gone. i noticed something, i think it might be a hacker or a virus of somekind but for some reason i would get these messages from zonealarm saying that setup_wm.exe is trying to connect just out of nowhere, and when i clicked accept it would always bring these weird freezes and crashes on wmp and bittorrent. so i went in to the programs control of zonealarm and and disallowed access for setup_wm.exe altogether and i never got those freezes, crashes, or bsods ever again. its weird. i read online somewhere that some people are reporting incompatibilities with zonealarm and bitdefender which is what i have. so im thinking of going with kaspersky and zonealarm and see how that works i hear thats an excellent combo. but the i dont know whether the crashes and freezes were due to the incompatibility or a hacker or virus trying to connect to my computer using setup_wm.exe. its really odd cause i have not encountered this before. So far the system is perfectly stable. I have not had a crash, freeze, or bsod yet. I also read that zonealarm has always been incompatible with most antiviruses except its own because zonelabs wants you to use theirs. whats a good alternative to zonealarm. I'm going to keep running my system and see if i get any more bsods or problems, and then ill check in to update my results.

[riiaku]

i finally got a bsod again, it was while playing act of war for 2 hours, it said the same thing ati3duag.dll, and when the computer came back on, i could hear the hard drives spinning back up, it was weird. do you think its my harddrives slowly dying or what? what do i do?

[jonnyGURU]

Replace your motherboad.

[riiaku]

could it be the harddrives? i havent tried that yet, i think ill try that first then do the motherboard thing, cause to replace motherboard is a mess that takes a few weeks, the whole process.

[spaceman]

You should do what jonny told u and change ur motherboard at least do it for peace of mind=)
That power supply you have ,if you read the reviews ,its a very good one and im planning to sale mine on ebay and get the silverstone soon so i can brag i have 850w of power=) who cares if you need them or not, better to have them for future references.
You should reformat your machine one more time and dont install many things on it =) I have been playng games online for a long time and i can tell you one thing........ my main machine, that i use strictly for gaming, only has the things i need installed and nothign more , I would NEVER install an antivirus on my gaming machine , actually i never installed any type of antivirus ever lol, aim or limewire or anyother program like that i put them on my laptop. My god if i ever install lime wire on my gaming rig remind me to shoot my self plz.
I have an radeon x1900xt card atm that im about to sale or smash , havent decided yet wich,cause its giving me a lot of problems with some of the games i play ( dark age of camelot , wow , unreal tournament 2004 and some more). Prior to this card i had a radeon x850xt and i used the catalysts 5.2 drivers on it and i must say it was a wonderfull graphic card that has served me well for many years , reason why i went and bought the x1900xt thinking it was gona be has good......but wasnt.
You should try and use some older catalyst drivers maybe try the 6.5 , here is a site that has a review for every single catalyst driver version been released , scroll to the bottom and you will see them http://www.tweaktown.com/cat/software/index.html
Im not an expert but i dont think an hard drive can give you all those problems, unless its a really old drive and been formatted 1000000000000 times. One thing you can do has well is go to run type msconfig and disable everything in startup , i never keep anything running there. This is one reason why i hate catalyst drivers cause i gotta keep CCC there in order for it to run and if i disable it from there it wont start up when i click on it =/ so it just sits there and eats my system resources for no reason lol.
Im not sure what zonealarm and bitdefender are lol , but i would uninstall those things at once =)
If you have recently uptaded your windows xp using windows update ill be very carefull what you get from there , there is a program calle windows malicious software removal , or something like that. This little bugger use to run in my baqckground all the times giving me all kinds of problems when i was playng certain games , dont install this thing and i would also stay away from the the new internet explorer cause it will make you install this thing against your will =)
My computer is giving me problems to atm , it hangs/freeze randomly when i boot up or restart and this has been happening since i have installed the soundblaster x-fi card ,the drivers for it are crappy and creative has usual is extemely slow in releasing new drivers for it.Im gona go back and install my old audigy card and see how it goes.

You should take a look at this site http://aumha.org/win5/kbestop.htm

[spaceman]

ok iv been playing act of war high treason for 2 or 3 hours a day and no more crashes and other games too have no more crashes. the weird freezes and crashing of windows media player and bittorrent are gone. i noticed something, i think it might be a hacker or a virus of somekind but for some reason i would get these messages from zonealarm saying that setup_wm.exe is trying to connect just out of nowhere, and when i clicked accept it would always bring these weird freezes and crashes on wmp and bittorrent. so i went in to the programs control of zonealarm and and disallowed access for setup_wm.exe altogether and i never got those freezes, crashes, or bsods ever again. its weird. i read online somewhere that some people are reporting incompatibilities with zonealarm and bitdefender which is what i have. so im thinking of going with kaspersky and zonealarm and see how that works i hear thats an excellent combo. but the i dont know whether the crashes and freezes were due to the incompatibility or a hacker or virus trying to connect to my computer using setup_wm.exe. its really odd cause i have not encountered this before. So far the system is perfectly stable. I have not had a crash, freeze, or bsod yet. I also read that zonealarm has always been incompatible with most antiviruses except its own because zonelabs wants you to use theirs. whats a good alternative to zonealarm. I'm going to keep running my system and see if i get any more bsods or problems, and then ill check in to update my results.



Im not to sure about this anyone correct me if im wrong , but if it was your memory then this would come up all the times. If you where able to play for like 3 hours with no problems then i doubt its your memory. Get a new hard drive and dont install any antivirus or other programs and try and play your games and see if this happens again , also like some others sayd change your hard drive cables just to be sure.