What's wrong with Silverstone Strider 600W?.. [Archive]

sanggarra

10-16-2006, 08:41 PM

Just wondering why I do not see recommendation for this nor anyone considering this for their system...:confused:

Jonny reviewed this very favorably, though the review was in the older format.

I am considering this against others like the Seaconic S12-600 and OCZ's GXS 700 trying to get the best PSU around US$150 or preferrably less with at least 600W.

The plan is for an Athlon X2 3800+ AM2 system with 7600GT and 1GB memory which will eventually be upgraded to 4800+, SLI and more memory.

What's the story? Or am I nuts to consider the Strider 600 for this built?:crazy:

U tell me... :D

jonnyGURU

10-16-2006, 08:42 PM

Uhh... Who's not recommending it? Enhance built Silverstone's are tier 2 on my list.

If 600W is enough power for your rig, it's an excellent choice.

sanggarra

10-16-2006, 09:01 PM

GalvanizedYankee

10-16-2006, 09:02 PM

davidhammock200

10-16-2006, 09:30 PM

LOL! I guess I missed that. :P

After a search on the forum, I am just not seeing others considering here in their posts, nor much discussion about it. Makes me, a PSU noob, nervous... :D

I know I can't go wrong with any of these based on JG's reviews, but which one of these would you choose/recommend?
Silverstone Strider 600
Seaconic S12-600
OCZ's GXS 700
Considering I'm trying to get the best PSU around US$150 or preferrably less with at least 600W and my upgrade plans for it.The OCZ GXS 600W/700W can be had for around $100.

I would recommend the (Seasonic built) Corsair 620W well ahead of the others &
it can be had for under $150.

Of course the (Seasonic built) PC P&C 610W is $159.

Good Luck,
Dave

sanggarra

10-17-2006, 03:42 AM

I have an Enhance ENS-0560G for the next build. The ENS-0560G-G will be RoHS compliant(lead free solder). The only down-side is efficiency is low, in the mid-70s but the regulation is VG. The ST60F is as the above unit.
At eWiz.com via Froogle the 0560G is $99 plus shipping.
One very nice thing about the modular connects...They are all Molex/ATX standard pins & shells.

GY,
Thanks for the suggestion. ;) That look as impressive or even same as the Silverstone.
Is there any difference at all between the Enhance ENS-0560G and the Strider 600 in terms of specifications, also do you find it performing as the Strider 600 reviewed?
(From the picture on eWiz they look exactly the same but the specs shows the Enhance has 4 "peripherals" instead of the Strider's 8 "5.25" drive connections" & 2 "3.5" drive connection";
Also the Enhance has only a 80mm fan instead of the 120mm?)

Looking forward to your reply and thanks again. :D

sanggarra

10-17-2006, 03:53 AM

The OCZ GXS 600W/700W can be had for around $100.

I would recommend the (Seasonic built) Corsair 620W well ahead of the others &
it can be had for under $150.

Of course the (Seasonic built) PC P&C 610W is $159.

Good Luck,
Dave

Dave,
You know ur additional suggestions will only make this noob all confused... :wall: LOL....

The OCZ's price and rated power is what make it so tempting to me too. The only concern is ripples as stated in JG's review.

The Corsair is definitely in my list but the Strider, OCZ and Seasonic could be had for less.

PC P&C always seems a little too luxurious and overpriced IMHO.:rolleyes: Do you think it is worth the asking price considering the "bang for buck" PSUs on my list?

Thanks for the suggestions and I need lotsa them and advices too. :D

Bbq

10-17-2006, 04:08 AM

davidhammock200

10-17-2006, 05:33 AM

The OCZ's price and rated power is what make it so tempting to me too. The only concern is ripples as stated in JG's review.I believe that this is a case where a little knowledge is dangerous.

In order to acheive stable high OC's, the +12V rail(s) must be rock solid &
the OCZ GXS's are the highest recommended & most used PSU's at DFI-Street,
where hugh numbers of high & stable AMD OC's are found.

There should always be a minium of 20% over-head for any PSU in any system,
when extreme OC'ing is considered then an even higher over-head should be maintained.

When the OCZ GXS 600W is used with a system drawing less than 500W's at max load,
thus maintaining that 20% over-head, then there are no problems.

If I had a system that could actually pull 600W's, then I would be using a minimum of a 750W PSU.

With the OCZ GXS 600W being available for well under $100, its 3yr power-swap warranty &
backed by that famous OCZ customer service, this to me is a no brainer. ;)

If I wanted to get higher quality, then the Corsair HX 620W would be my next choice,
as it is cheaper than the M-12's & has a 5yr warranty.

sanggarra

10-17-2006, 05:35 AM

They raised prices a few days ago now it's $122 :(

this unit will be good for you.

Yeah, I noticed that too...:( Shipping to me is another $14.

With that price, it is comparable to the Strider. Is it true the SilveStone Strider has more Molexes than the Enhance? :confused:

jonnyGURU

10-17-2006, 07:56 AM

I believe that this is a case where a little knowledge is dangerous.

Color it any way you want, the OCZ GXS has a lot of ripple on the 12V rail.

Yes, the ripple isn't seen unless the PSU is heavily loaded and it is wise to buy a PSU with a lot of overhead, but I would rather have a PSU WITHOUT the excess ripple then get one with excess ripple whit the caveat that I probably won't be loading the PSU to the point where the ripple is evident.

A good power supply can improve overclocks because the available power is there, but you can't thank the fact that the PSU is an OCZ for that. Just thank the fact the PSU isn't udder crap. If I go from driving a Yugo to a Toyota, I'm going to think that Toyota is the greatest things since sliced bread!

The ripple isn't likely going to affect overclock because the motheboard is going to filter most of that out when it regulates the 12V rail for the CPU voltage. But in time, those components on the motherboard can fail.

sangarra,

You need to prioritize. You have a list of three PSU's. One modular, two aren't. Is modular important to you? It's a feature you pay for, so if getting a Seasonic that's NOT modular is acceptable, why even have the Silverstone on the list? That's like, "Hmm... the station wagon or the sports car."

If that's really your final three, I'd say the Seasonic.

GalvanizedYankee

10-17-2006, 10:48 AM

GY,
Thanks for the suggestion. ;) That look as impressive or even same as the Silverstone.
Is there any difference at all between the Enhance ENS-0560G and the Strider 600 in terms of specifications, also do you find it performing as the Strider 600 reviewed?
(From the picture on eWiz they look exactly the same but the specs shows the Enhance has 4 "peripherals" instead of the Strider's 8 "5.25" drive connections" & 2 "3.5" drive connection";
Also the Enhance has only a 80mm fan instead of the 120mm?)

Looking forward to your reply and thanks again. :D

The 0560G now Froogles at $119. It has 4x4pin Molex and 4xSATA connectors. It has a 120mm ADDA fan that maxes at 85cfm.

Of what you have listed. Corsair 620 for semi-modular with a 5 year warrenty would be a fine choice.
Seasonic 600W S12 for quiet non-modular and the 600W M12 for semi-modular but not as quiet as the S12 near full load.
IIRC, the SS Strider 600W will have a three year warrenty and for that alone would be a better buy than the Enhance with it's bulk one year warrenty.
Both the Enhance and Strider offer 42A combined with 45A peak.

I would go for the 620W Corsair over the PCP&C anyday. Read in jonny's reviews about the ripple issues with the FSP Epsilons and the OCZ units based on the Epsilon plateform. I liked FSP in the past and I hope they cure this issue.

If the 0560G was still $99 it would be a deal.

sanggarra

10-17-2006, 04:53 PM

All you folks' advices and recommendations have been very helpful.

Like JG said, at the end of the day, I have to prioritize and decide which PSU based on my needs. Easier said then done...being that I want everything and at a low price at that. :p

My thought now is modular is preferred but not at the cost of quality and power. My ranking on the 3 PSUs follows in descending order of preference and my logic behind the rank.
1. Silverstone Strider 600W SST-ST60F
PLUS
- Quad 12V rails (42A, Max 45A)
- Could possibly support 650W load?
- Non-existent ripple
- Perform flawlessly even when crossloaded.
- Modular cabling (BONUS)
MINUS
- Lower efficiency
- Lower OC head room
- 4 SATA

2. Seasonic 600W S12-600
(Based on M12 700W review and manufacturer's specs)
PLUS
- 9 Peripheral, 6 SATA connectors
- 18A per 12V rail
- 80%+ efficiency
- Perform flawlessly even when crossloaded.
- Non-existent ripple
MINUS
- Runs a comparatively hot
- Only 2 12V rails :mad:
- Lower OC head room

3. OCZ GXS 700W
PLUS
- Lotsa overhead for OC
- 8 perpheral, 6 SATA
- Quad 12V rails
- 18A per 12V rail
- Perform flawlessly even when crossloaded.
- Good efficiency
MINUS
- Out of specification ripple when loaded :mad:
- Minimum load required on 3.3V & 5V

The above ranking is IMHO. :) All opinions are welcome.

GalvanizedYankee

10-17-2006, 05:06 PM

Since your leaning toward Silverstone, take a look at the 750W Strider and Zeus at http://www.silverstonetek.com/
jonny did review the 750 Zeus.

jonnyGURU

10-17-2006, 05:21 PM

And the ST75F modular PSU should be done next week.

sanggarra

10-17-2006, 05:52 PM

And the ST75F modular PSU should be done next week.

Are u sure u aren't reading my mind, JG? :)

I'll be waiting for the ST75F review but prolly be overkill for what I have in mind. :D

Keep up the good work, JG. :thumb: And here's a :beer: on me.

Hehehehe... need the "thumbs up" smily to be add-able to posts content.

Super Nade

10-17-2006, 05:57 PM

Granted that OCZ do have a VERY attractive price point, good customer service and a nice step-up program, but I don't follow why one should over-budget power requirements? A good unit should stand on its own merits, the foremost being adhering to ATX specs at the rated full load.

Things were satisfactory until test 3. During test 3, I started to see ripple on 12V1 and 12V2 that was nearly 100mV. By test 5, the ripple was 100mV on 12V3 and 12V4 and had exceeded 100mV on 12V1 and 12V2. By test 6, the ripple on 12V1 and 12V2 had exceeded 150mV.

So, why would you buy a unit which falls out of ATX specs at the loads rated on the label? Nothing is more evident here than the phrase "you get what you pay for". What's up with the 85 C rated CapXcon's on the primary and the sparse innards? Personally, I will not recommend this unit to anybody planning an X-Fire or SLI.

davidhammock200

10-17-2006, 09:12 PM

SN, aren't you the one who recommend a low end server PSU,
with no PCIe connectors & no SATA connectors over at DFI-Street a few weeks ago?

jonnyGURU

10-17-2006, 09:59 PM

Delay on the ST75F, folks. :(

Blew up during the hot box test. Just like the Antec Trio did. Going to try RMA.

SN, aren't you the one who recommend a low end server PSU,
with no PCIe connectors & no SATA connectors over at DFI-Street a few weeks ago?

At least it didn't have > 120mV of ripple. :D :D :D

CAD4466HK

10-17-2006, 10:02 PM

Delay on the ST75F, folks. :(

Blew up during the hot box test. Just like the Antec Trio did. Going to try RMA.

At least it didn't have < 120mV of ripple. :D :D :D

:eek: AUTOPSY PICS?
How many amps were you pushing?

davidhammock200

10-17-2006, 10:08 PM

Delay on the ST75F, folks. :(

Blew up during the hot box test. Just like the Antec Trio did. Going to try RMA.

At least it didn't have > 120mV of ripple. :D :D :DAnd although it failed the cross-load test, it didn't blow-up either! :rant: lol :rant:

jonnyGURU

10-17-2006, 10:13 PM

This is true! :D lol

Bbq

10-18-2006, 12:06 AM

I guess this means...

Pump more hot air into the box next time.

sanggarra

10-18-2006, 03:08 AM

Delay on the ST75F, folks. :(

Blew up during the hot box test. Just like the Antec Trio did. Going to try RMA.

At least it didn't have > 120mV of ripple. :D :D :D

Ooops! lol

Hopefully the ST75F is not an Enhance? :eek:

*setting off this PSU noob into worry-land :crazy: *

Better hold off on getting the ST60F???

syne_24

10-18-2006, 03:44 AM

Delay on the ST75F, folks. :(

Blew up during the hot box test. Just like the Antec Trio did. Going to try RMA.

At least it didn't have > 120mV of ripple. :D :D :D

woah that sucks! I was waiting for that :(

jonnyGURU

10-18-2006, 08:18 AM

Ooops! lol

Hopefully the ST75F is not an Enhance? :eek:

It is. :( But that's ok. Everyone gets a second chance. You've got to realize, I used to do RMA/RTV for a tier 1. Things blowing up don't surprise me anymore. That's why I get all bent out of shape when people "change horses mid-stream" when they fall victim to an isolated incident. Of course, I do recognize the emotional impact of a failed component.

Super Nade

10-18-2006, 11:53 AM

SN, aren't you the one who recommend a low end server PSU,
with no PCIe connectors & no SATA connectors over at DFI-Street a few weeks ago?

By low-end if you mean the Supermicro-PWS 0056, yes I did. Tell me what is "Low end" about this unit? I don't think the FSP units are built nearly as well as this Lite-On. I would not knock a unit down because it has no PCI-E or SATA connectors. :rolleyes:

I suppose everybody who is using a rebadged Etasis or any "Server" unit is a lunatic, eh? As for DFI-Street, it has become more like "Viral Marketing Street" where any opinion from the rigid FUD/viral marketing is frowned upon and treated with utter contempt. I could care less as I've stopped visiting there (this is my personal opinion ONLY).

I have a lot more to say (none too flattering if I may add), but out of respect for Jonny and the other excellent members here, I'm ceasing this right here and now. ;)

lordlegend

10-18-2006, 03:26 PM

Delay on the ST75F, folks. :(

Blew up during the hot box test. Just like the Antec Trio did. Going to try RMA.

At least it didn't have > 120mV of ripple. :D :D :D

This is not good news, I jumped the gun and bought a ST75F figuring it would be as good as the ST60F and for a few bucks more(less than $30) the extra power might come in handy when the DX10 video cards come out. I should have waited for the review, hmm, maybe I should just return it?

LL

jonnyGURU

10-18-2006, 03:28 PM

Super Nade

10-18-2006, 03:31 PM

^^^ Hold on man. It could be just a bad off-the-shelf sample Jonny bought. Your's may be perfectly fine. Let us see what caused his sample to blow up?

Edit*I was referring to LL.

lordlegend

10-18-2006, 03:49 PM

^^^ Hold on man. It could be just a bad off-the-shelf sample Jonny bought. Your's may be perfectly fine. Let us see what caused his sample to blow up?

Edit*I was referring to LL.

I'll wait to see if mine blows up before returning it. ;)
It does seem to be running hotter than I expected but I have it crammed into a Silverstone SG01(SUGO) case. The SFF case is the reason I wanted a modular psu as there is not alot of room in it, I'm too use to my large Lian Li V1000/V1200 cases but they are a pain to take to Lan parties.

LL

syne_24

10-19-2006, 10:27 PM

Well... let's be fair. I was pushing 750W in a 60C box. It shouldn't have blown up, but I was really pushing it. When the case was open, it handled the load just fine. Of course, temperatures were much lower too.

I might have said 650W earlier, but it did that with no problem, although the temperature of the exhaust air was 57C.

Jonny did you always do this to the other psu as well, like pushing it max on load, and it didnt blew up right? I was just wondering if it ever happen before and this is not strictly the ST75F's fault.

jonnyGURU

10-19-2006, 10:30 PM

Just happened to the Antec Trio this week... and a couple weeks ago as well. lol

Doo doo happens. Not the first time a PSU's blown up on me. ;)

davidhammock200

10-20-2006, 11:39 AM

Just happened to the Antec Trio this week... and a couple weeks ago as well. lol

Doo doo happens. Not the first time a PSU's blown up on me. ;)He enjoys killing them! ;)

Super Nade

10-20-2006, 01:38 PM

Jonny any clues regarding why this happened? Surprising that the units blew up instead of just shutting down. This brings me to the next question. Do all PSU's have a thermal shut-down feature and how is it usually implimented? I would naively assume it is via a thermistor/AD590 and a sensing ckt which somehow signals the unit to shut down. So, maybe looking for problems with the sensing mechanism could narrow down potential problematic components.

jonnyGURU

10-20-2006, 02:02 PM

I believe most, if not all "quality" units claim to have thermal shut down.

Take a look at the Thermaltake Toughpower. That PSU consistantly shut down in the hot box under max load. Ironically, people say "how could you give that PSU such a good score if you can't even get a hot box reading at max load." Umm... Alternative is??? Yep.. Antec Trio.

I'd rather take my chances with a Thermaltake that shuts down than an Antec that explodes.

The Silverstone? Perhaps a fluke? Inrush current overload? Not sure.

Super Nade

10-20-2006, 02:07 PM

Very good point. It just takes a few more $'s to make the necessary mods. I wouldn't mind the cost being passed down to the consumer for this. Do you think there was some sort of transformer failure for it to go pop?

jonnyGURU

10-20-2006, 02:13 PM

Not sure. I know that was the case with the Aspire I reviewed that kept blowing fuses, but that was high wattage, and not high wattage plus high temps. The Antec seemed to have blown a fuse (at least the first time. Haven't opened this second one) but can't say why and why it would be thermal related.

Blown fuse wouldn't be a big deal if they hadn't soldered the fuse to the PCB. :crazy:

Super Nade

10-20-2006, 03:55 PM

Blown fuse wouldn't be a big deal if they hadn't soldered the fuse to the PCB. :crazy:

This is the first time I've heard of somebody doing that. Why why why why ???? Save a few cents on a fuse holder? These day's you get nice wrap around holders with no sharp edges whatsoever, perfectly safe too.

Bbq

10-20-2006, 05:50 PM

Saving costs. Even if it's only 2-3 cents.. I remember a story about a major american truck maker saving 30 cents on each truck by moving the fuel tank to a different spot, which resulted in a much larger risk of explosion.

It's part of the business.

Cornrow Harfoot

11-23-2006, 02:13 AM

Is the 750w Strider internally similar to the Zeus, cause the Zeus tested fine right?

EDIT:

this is answerd in this thread

http://www.jonnyguru.com/forums/showthread.php?t=185&highlight=ST75ZF

The Zeus is better.

spursindonesia

01-13-2009, 04:08 AM

OK, this is an old a$$ thread, i don't intend to becoma a necromancer, but i have a discussion related to Silverstone Zeus 650w in my local forum. AFAIK, that unit is based on the same platform used in Strider 600w, hence the reason why i post here.

Guys, what is the topology of this unit ? Is it independently regulated ? Is the build and material quality top notch ?

Jonny has reviewed the 750w version of this platform and family (Strider 750w), it seems to have a good crossload performance, but the ripple suppression isn't too impressive, especially @5v rail.

Inside pics:

Courtesy of jonny's review (Reviews - SilverStone Strider ST75F 750W (http://www.jonnyguru.com/modules.php?name=NDReviews&op=Story4&reid=27))

http://img371.imageshack.us/img371/6443/strider750w1pi5.jpg (http://www.imagehosting.com/) http://img371.imageshack.us/img371/3062/strider750w2zy2.jpg (http://www.imagehosting.com/) http://img58.imageshack.us/img58/5315/strider750w3tl4.jpg (http://www.imagehosting.com/)

Courtesy of overclock3d.net's review (Review :: Silverstone Strider 600w ST60F Modular PSU :: Looking Inside (http://www.overclock3d.net/reviews.php?type=3&id=100&page=5&desc=silverstone_strider_600w_st60f_modular_psu))

http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/6417/strider650w2vs8.jpg (http://www.imagehosting.com/) http://img525.imageshack.us/img525/5179/strider650w2tn1.jpg (http://www.imagehosting.com/)

Basically, i want to know more about this unit design, built, and material quality.

Regards. :)

somename

01-14-2009, 11:45 PM

Sorry, I don't have an answer you're looking for, but I did notice that Silverstone redid the strider lines.

I was looking through PSU at Newegg since I was shopping for a couple of PSUs, and I noticed st60f is now 80plus bronze certified. This surprised me since I didn't consider Strider line because of its relative inefficiency when I was last shopping for a PSU a couple years ago.

I also looked through Silverstone website, and the change seems to have been made for the whole line up since there were a couple other models certified 80plus as well.

I don't think the Zeus line is sharing the same platform any more since I don't think any Zeus PSU is 80plus certified, but I can't say for sure. Perhaps the certification hasn't finalized or they're on different platform now.

I would like to know if anyone here know more about the change as well since I ended up buying the new st60f from Newegg. I was originally planning to buy modu82+ or Corsair hx520, but with $25 rebate Newegg has now, I figured I'd take a chance on it. I also ended up getting Corsair 400cx because of $20 rebate BTW. Hopefully, they work out for me. I'd still like to know more about the new Silverstone units. I don't think there are any new reviews on the new Strider PSUs.